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Who is pushing for people to work extended hours? Assuming you’re talking about the tech industry and US market. I find this sentiment to be pretty rare.

dheera 4y ago
> Who is pushing for people to work extended hours? Assuming you’re talking about the tech industry and US market. US tech industry can have some bad hours, but other industries in the US can be much worse. Talk to some nurses, Wall Street people, delivery drivers, they all have it much worse than most tech people. As for other countries, China's unofficially standard work schedule in tech is now 996 (9am-9pm, 6 days a week), Japan's finance work schedule has been 9am-midnight for a long time, most other Asian countries aren't much better.
wonderwonder 4y ago
If you just factor in an hour commute each way that many people have that's already 10 hours. In most professional jobs its not great to be the guy in the door at 9 and out at 5 on the dot if you want a promotion. So that 8 hours turns to 9 and add in the commute you are at 10 or 11 hours of work.
- DiggyJohnson 4y ago
  I'm sorry to be so disagreeable, I understand your point including commute times into "hours of work", but I don't think that's what was being referred to here. (I also think there's a pervasive tendency to overstate commute times - 1 hour is an extremely long commute, a quick Google search shows the US average is ~27 minutes, which is still long, but...): > In most professional jobs its not great to be the guy in the door at 9 and out at 5 on the dot if you want a promotion. In my time in tech roles on the East Coast, I haven't encountered this sentiment. Maybe if there was extreme inflexibility in one's schedule, I could see it frustrating some people, but for the most part I've only ever seen (1) people getting promoted for their work and the impression of their work or (2) active ladder climbing, which can be done within the confines of an 8 hour day. The most common reason I see people work above and beyond their hours is a primarily-self-generated sense of compulsion that's mostly disconnected from the expectations of their supervisors or peers. Maybe I'm lucky.

dheera 4y ago

> Who is pushing for people to work extended hours? Assuming you’re talking about the tech industry and US market. US tech industry can have some bad hours, but other industries in the US can be much worse. Talk to some nurses, Wall Street people, delivery drivers, they all have it much worse than most tech people. As for other countries, China's unofficially standard work schedule in tech is now 996 (9am-9pm, 6 days a week), Japan's finance work schedule has been 9am-midnight for a long time, most other Asian countries aren't much better.

wonderwonder 4y ago

If you just factor in an hour commute each way that many people have that's already 10 hours. In most professional jobs its not great to be the guy in the door at 9 and out at 5 on the dot if you want a promotion. So that 8 hours turns to 9 and add in the commute you are at 10 or 11 hours of work.

DiggyJohnson 4y ago
I'm sorry to be so disagreeable, I understand your point including commute times into "hours of work", but I don't think that's what was being referred to here. (I also think there's a pervasive tendency to overstate commute times - 1 hour is an extremely long commute, a quick Google search shows the US average is ~27 minutes, which is still long, but...): > In most professional jobs its not great to be the guy in the door at 9 and out at 5 on the dot if you want a promotion. In my time in tech roles on the East Coast, I haven't encountered this sentiment. Maybe if there was extreme inflexibility in one's schedule, I could see it frustrating some people, but for the most part I've only ever seen (1) people getting promoted for their work and the impression of their work or (2) active ladder climbing, which can be done within the confines of an 8 hour day. The most common reason I see people work above and beyond their hours is a primarily-self-generated sense of compulsion that's mostly disconnected from the expectations of their supervisors or peers. Maybe I'm lucky.