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Fruit trees – SmartView Christchurch

hinkley 4y ago
Christchurch got royally creamed by some earthquakes a few years ago. As part of rebuilding they were trying to green the city as much as possible, and went as far as recruiting permaculturists to come live there. Someone I knew took them up on it.
- NovaDudely 4y ago
  I am going to be back in Chch in a few days for the first time in 5 1/2 years, it is going to be fascinating to see how things have progressed.
  - hinkley 4y ago
    Was that just before or just after the quakes? My sense of time is garbage since Covid.
    - mkl 4y ago
      The earthquakes were 2010 and 2011. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Christchurch_earthquake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Christchurch_earthquake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Christchurch_earthquake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Christchurch_earthquake
- rasz 4y ago
  I wouldnt call hiring permaculturists going far for a city with a Wizard on a payroll :) sadly his contract wasnt extended in 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/new-zealand-council-ends-contract-with-wizard-after-two-decades-of-service https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/new-zealand-co...
throwayyy479087 4y ago
http://jillhubley.com/project/nyctrees/ http://jillhubley.com/project/nyctrees/ NYC has a map of every street tree, including size.
- oneplane 4y ago
  I think London something similar: https://www.treetalk.co.uk/map https://www.treetalk.co.uk/map
  - culi 4y ago
    I think both of these are aggregated by https://fallingfruit.org/ https://fallingfruit.org/ FallingFruit also has crowd-sourced info on stuff like the best dumpsters for dumpster diving
- mr3martinis 4y ago
  https://cor.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=3dda2aa7521941d8a48dc91f5014a5c8 https://cor.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=... Richmond, VA does as well
loktarogar 4y ago
Melbourne (Australia) has a map of trees in the city, and you can email for information or to report anything about any of the individual trees: http://melbourneurbanforestvisual.com.au/ http://melbourneurbanforestvisual.com.au/
- tmnvix 4y ago
  I've heard these often receive notes of appreciation addressed to the tree.
  - tastysandwich 4y ago
    Julian O'Shea has a great video on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4BtdFgVGjc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4BtdFgVGjc (His channel is great btw, interesting videos on cities, weird designs, etc).
pabs3 4y ago
Does anyone know if they upload the data to OSM?
martynr 4y ago
I’m pretty familiar with the area- one of the more unique parts of the city is the “red zone”, a recovered area which became uninsurable due to the changes in the assessment of land risks post quake. It’s a weird place as the roads are still there and the trees are still along the edges of the former gardens but all the houses are gone and the sites reverted to grass. Many of the fruit trees on this map are from those gardens. You can get a good idea from google maps: Avonside Red Zone https://maps.app.goo.gl/bXcnExMeur9oNovp6?g_st=ic https://maps.app.goo.gl/bXcnExMeur9oNovp6?g_st=ic You have to be quick to get the fruit there though ;)
- hdhddhshhshd 4y ago
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- lostlogin 4y ago
  Thanks for this. It’s really odd seeing the empty sections. I’m alarmed at the state of the roads - what is going on? I thought ours were bad up in Auckland but those ones I just looked at in Christchurch are are terrible.
  - ghewgill 4y ago
    The roads in the red zone are no longer maintained. It's surprising how quickly road condition deteriorates.
    - Fatnino 4y ago
      Eh. I've been down a road that hadn't been maintained in over 40 years. I thought it would be worse. You can't relax while driving it because the bad sections are BAD, but between them are stretches of just fine, clearly old road.
  - EdwardDiego 4y ago
    Those roads in the linked Streetview are from 2013, btw. As they were a) low traffic and b) prone to liquefaction in aftershocks, they were low priority for repairs. They're a lot better today.
runarberg 4y ago
Foraging for fruit in San Francisco is a joyful activity. Me and my partner would go on fun foraging dates regularly when we lived there. Knowing which trees have ripe fruits when is a handy skill to have if you want a super yummy experience. Today we live in a rural area outside of Seattle and foraging is a lot easier, takes no skills, but is a lot more boring and not nearly as yummy.
culi 4y ago
Everyone's pointing out other cities that also have this info. Falling Fruit is a cool project that aggregates all this data, along with user-sourced data, to make a really neat map https://fallingfruit.org/ https://fallingfruit.org/ As an avid forager I really appreciate their inclusion of trees not typically considered foodstuffs. Here in socal, the landscapers love to use a lot of trees that they don't realize are extremely valuable food sources to Aboriginal Australians and I love being able to harvest the landscaping They also include dumpster diving spots if you're into that
gegtik 4y ago
Toronto as well: http://www.mapto.ca/maps/the-fruit-trees-of-toronto http://www.mapto.ca/maps/the-fruit-trees-of-toronto
somishere 4y ago
I recently used Cairns city council's exhaustive tree map to match and identify a beautiful weed tree that had popped up in my front yard (to a tree in a nearby park). Turns out it's actually an edible fruit tree (a damson plum) so we've kept it. Tho it's already quite big and will start taking light from the mango tree soon enough, so decision is akin to an adoption! By weed tree, I mean planted by a bird. https://www.cairns.qld.gov.au/community-and-environment/trees/trees-database https://www.cairns.qld.gov.au/community-and-environment/tree...
- lostlogin 4y ago
  You can graft onto that tree to get other varieties. It surprisingly simple and very satisfying. If you’re really clever, you may be able to make it grow as a dwarf, or columnar tree. I haven’t done those things and they might require something being done to the roots.
  - somishere 4y ago
    Interesting! Not very clever, but I've got an avocado and mango that seem to be surprisingly happy with a heavy handed biannual trim. Was hoping the plum would fall in line. The fruit are quite nice (albeit tiny!) and I've recently started spotting them on a couple of menus. And yet to try grafting but do have a few citrus around that would be prime candidates!
hoxmark 4y ago
Oslo, Norway as well https://www.oslo.kommune.no/natur-kultur-og-fritid/trar-i-oslo/kart-over-trar-i-oslo/#gref https://www.oslo.kommune.no/natur-kultur-og-fritid/trar-i-os... Here you can choose which type of tree.
INTPenis 4y ago
Here's a swedish one too: https://fruktkartan.se/ https://fruktkartan.se/ It's completely privately operated and sourced, but at least in my area it's pretty accurate. There was a news story about some municipality in the northern half of the country setting up a map like this, but only for a very limited area. I think it's great, but please be respectful when going to another neighbourhood to pick fruit. I'm not sure if this is tied to Fruktkartan but the last few years I've seen fruit pickers come from other areas of the city and act very rough. For example they bring sacks, and apple picking equipment, and they climb the trees and break branches to get to the fruit. On one hand fruit always ends up on the ground rotting, every year, so there should be plenty to go around. But on the other hand when people bring a whole sack, or crate, it feels like they're not just picking for themselves anymore, or that they're being wasteful and rough for no reason.
dang 4y ago
Related ongoing thread: TreeTalk London – Tree Map - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34884966 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34884966 - Feb 2023 (32 comments)
berjin 4y ago
The fruit trees in the red zone are a bit run down in my experience. Fruit trees need a lot of care to do well: pruning, fungicide, pesticide, bird netting, irrigation etc. It's interesting to see which varieties thrive on their own. Plums and grapes seem to do well.

Christchurch got royally creamed by some earthquakes a few years ago. As part of rebuilding they were trying to green the city as much as possible, and went as far as recruiting permaculturists to come live there. Someone I knew took them up on it.

NovaDudely 4y ago
I am going to be back in Chch in a few days for the first time in 5 1/2 years, it is going to be fascinating to see how things have progressed.
- hinkley 4y ago
  Was that just before or just after the quakes? My sense of time is garbage since Covid.
  - mkl 4y ago
    The earthquakes were 2010 and 2011. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Christchurch_earthquake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Christchurch_earthquake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Christchurch_earthquake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Christchurch_earthquake
rasz 4y ago
I wouldnt call hiring permaculturists going far for a city with a Wizard on a payroll :) sadly his contract wasnt extended in 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/new-zealand-council-ends-contract-with-wizard-after-two-decades-of-service https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/new-zealand-co...

throwayyy479087 4y ago

http://jillhubley.com/project/nyctrees/ http://jillhubley.com/project/nyctrees/ NYC has a map of every street tree, including size.

oneplane 4y ago
I think London something similar: https://www.treetalk.co.uk/map https://www.treetalk.co.uk/map
- culi 4y ago
  I think both of these are aggregated by https://fallingfruit.org/ https://fallingfruit.org/ FallingFruit also has crowd-sourced info on stuff like the best dumpsters for dumpster diving
mr3martinis 4y ago
https://cor.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=3dda2aa7521941d8a48dc91f5014a5c8 https://cor.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=... Richmond, VA does as well

loktarogar 4y ago

Melbourne (Australia) has a map of trees in the city, and you can email for information or to report anything about any of the individual trees: http://melbourneurbanforestvisual.com.au/ http://melbourneurbanforestvisual.com.au/

tmnvix 4y ago
I've heard these often receive notes of appreciation addressed to the tree.
- tastysandwich 4y ago
  Julian O'Shea has a great video on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4BtdFgVGjc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4BtdFgVGjc (His channel is great btw, interesting videos on cities, weird designs, etc).

pabs3 4y ago

Does anyone know if they upload the data to OSM?

martynr 4y ago

I’m pretty familiar with the area- one of the more unique parts of the city is the “red zone”, a recovered area which became uninsurable due to the changes in the assessment of land risks post quake. It’s a weird place as the roads are still there and the trees are still along the edges of the former gardens but all the houses are gone and the sites reverted to grass. Many of the fruit trees on this map are from those gardens. You can get a good idea from google maps: Avonside Red Zone https://maps.app.goo.gl/bXcnExMeur9oNovp6?g_st=ic https://maps.app.goo.gl/bXcnExMeur9oNovp6?g_st=ic You have to be quick to get the fruit there though ;)

hdhddhshhshd 4y ago
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lostlogin 4y ago
Thanks for this. It’s really odd seeing the empty sections. I’m alarmed at the state of the roads - what is going on? I thought ours were bad up in Auckland but those ones I just looked at in Christchurch are are terrible.
- ghewgill 4y ago
  The roads in the red zone are no longer maintained. It's surprising how quickly road condition deteriorates.
  - Fatnino 4y ago
    Eh. I've been down a road that hadn't been maintained in over 40 years. I thought it would be worse. You can't relax while driving it because the bad sections are BAD, but between them are stretches of just fine, clearly old road.
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  Those roads in the linked Streetview are from 2013, btw. As they were a) low traffic and b) prone to liquefaction in aftershocks, they were low priority for repairs. They're a lot better today.

runarberg 4y ago

Foraging for fruit in San Francisco is a joyful activity. Me and my partner would go on fun foraging dates regularly when we lived there. Knowing which trees have ripe fruits when is a handy skill to have if you want a super yummy experience. Today we live in a rural area outside of Seattle and foraging is a lot easier, takes no skills, but is a lot more boring and not nearly as yummy.

culi 4y ago

Everyone's pointing out other cities that also have this info. Falling Fruit is a cool project that aggregates all this data, along with user-sourced data, to make a really neat map https://fallingfruit.org/ https://fallingfruit.org/ As an avid forager I really appreciate their inclusion of trees not typically considered foodstuffs. Here in socal, the landscapers love to use a lot of trees that they don't realize are extremely valuable food sources to Aboriginal Australians and I love being able to harvest the landscaping They also include dumpster diving spots if you're into that

gegtik 4y ago

Toronto as well: http://www.mapto.ca/maps/the-fruit-trees-of-toronto http://www.mapto.ca/maps/the-fruit-trees-of-toronto

somishere 4y ago

I recently used Cairns city council's exhaustive tree map to match and identify a beautiful weed tree that had popped up in my front yard (to a tree in a nearby park). Turns out it's actually an edible fruit tree (a damson plum) so we've kept it. Tho it's already quite big and will start taking light from the mango tree soon enough, so decision is akin to an adoption! By weed tree, I mean planted by a bird. https://www.cairns.qld.gov.au/community-and-environment/trees/trees-database https://www.cairns.qld.gov.au/community-and-environment/tree...

lostlogin 4y ago
You can graft onto that tree to get other varieties. It surprisingly simple and very satisfying. If you’re really clever, you may be able to make it grow as a dwarf, or columnar tree. I haven’t done those things and they might require something being done to the roots.
- somishere 4y ago
  Interesting! Not very clever, but I've got an avocado and mango that seem to be surprisingly happy with a heavy handed biannual trim. Was hoping the plum would fall in line. The fruit are quite nice (albeit tiny!) and I've recently started spotting them on a couple of menus. And yet to try grafting but do have a few citrus around that would be prime candidates!

hoxmark 4y ago

Oslo, Norway as well https://www.oslo.kommune.no/natur-kultur-og-fritid/trar-i-oslo/kart-over-trar-i-oslo/#gref https://www.oslo.kommune.no/natur-kultur-og-fritid/trar-i-os... Here you can choose which type of tree.

INTPenis 4y ago

Here's a swedish one too: https://fruktkartan.se/ https://fruktkartan.se/ It's completely privately operated and sourced, but at least in my area it's pretty accurate. There was a news story about some municipality in the northern half of the country setting up a map like this, but only for a very limited area. I think it's great, but please be respectful when going to another neighbourhood to pick fruit. I'm not sure if this is tied to Fruktkartan but the last few years I've seen fruit pickers come from other areas of the city and act very rough. For example they bring sacks, and apple picking equipment, and they climb the trees and break branches to get to the fruit. On one hand fruit always ends up on the ground rotting, every year, so there should be plenty to go around. But on the other hand when people bring a whole sack, or crate, it feels like they're not just picking for themselves anymore, or that they're being wasteful and rough for no reason.

dang 4y ago

Related ongoing thread: TreeTalk London – Tree Map - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34884966 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34884966 - Feb 2023 (32 comments)

berjin 4y ago

The fruit trees in the red zone are a bit run down in my experience. Fruit trees need a lot of care to do well: pruning, fungicide, pesticide, bird netting, irrigation etc. It's interesting to see which varieties thrive on their own. Plums and grapes seem to do well.