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Privacy done correctly - especially to a degree that can meaningfully defend against the techniques used for mass surveillance - is technically complicated. The

Privacy done correctly - especially to a degree that can meaningfully defend against the techniques used for mass surveillance - is technically complicated. The general public feels helpless on the matter. That is why you hear people argue in favor of privacy without taking much action. Improved education will make them feel empowered to act. But we also have to improve the software. Many people switched to Signal recently when they heard about it for the first time. The only ones I know who stopped using it did so because of UX flaws. Why is there no mainstream browser with an "Enable Tor" button? Probably because it's the browser makers that are virtue signaling, not the public. The browser makers all rely on tracking you to make their business model sustainable. Give the people a true, reasonable choice for privacy and they will likely take it.

drsnow 4y ago
>Why is there no mainstream browser with an "Enable Tor" button? Because using anything other than the Tor Browser Bundle is a good way to differentiate your usage from that of the vast majority of Tor users and render yourself more easily identifiable than otherwise.
- sholladay 4y ago
  I agree generally, it is an inferior approach for the user, but it is more approachable. Also, I would say it depends on the implementation. Even if there is no solution to that, surely it's better to have the capability than to not have it. For many people, this could simply be the beginning of the funnel, a gentle introduction to Tor, which could be accompanied by a message instructing them how to download and use the Tor Browser Bundle. I doubt that will happen any time soon because of the existing business models, but it would be a major step if it did.
yucky 4y ago
> Why is there no mainstream browser with an "Enable Tor" button? Brave has it. I know you said mainstream, but just wanted rep them since it's the best browser on the market.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
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  - yucky 4y ago
    I appreciate you comparing me to one of the foremost tech experts in the world, but the compliment is undeserved.

drsnow 4y ago

>Why is there no mainstream browser with an "Enable Tor" button? Because using anything other than the Tor Browser Bundle is a good way to differentiate your usage from that of the vast majority of Tor users and render yourself more easily identifiable than otherwise.

sholladay 4y ago
I agree generally, it is an inferior approach for the user, but it is more approachable. Also, I would say it depends on the implementation. Even if there is no solution to that, surely it's better to have the capability than to not have it. For many people, this could simply be the beginning of the funnel, a gentle introduction to Tor, which could be accompanied by a message instructing them how to download and use the Tor Browser Bundle. I doubt that will happen any time soon because of the existing business models, but it would be a major step if it did.

yucky 4y ago

> Why is there no mainstream browser with an "Enable Tor" button? Brave has it. I know you said mainstream, but just wanted rep them since it's the best browser on the market.

lern_too_spel 4y ago
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- yucky 4y ago
  I appreciate you comparing me to one of the foremost tech experts in the world, but the compliment is undeserved.