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The complaints are also getting old. If you were hired with the expectation that you go in the office, RTO is an eventual expected outcome. I do see the psyc

The complaints are also getting old. If you were hired with the expectation that you go in the office, RTO is an eventual expected outcome. I do see the psychology of taking away what many see as a "benefit", but it's really just going back to the norm.

x86x87 4y ago
Hmm... the complaints are getting old? I guess the beatings need to continue until morale improves. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0535/6917/products/traditiondemotivator_grande.jpeg https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0535/6917/products/traditi... Hard disagree with "If you were hired with the expectation that you go in the office, RTO is an eventual expected outcome." Ask yourself why do we need to RTO? Who needs the RTO?
- eurticket 4y ago
  we should all read between the lines, this big push is from those that invest in the office buildings and surrounding businesses chains, and are hurting from lower proximity of consumers. Stop making your own meals, start consuming from their fast food chain down the block from the building theyre leasing to your company. Stop for gas and buy from their other investments close by. Need people to stop being so self sufficient at home, and suck the rich tit. We are so desperate for the help :( /$
  - x86x87 4y ago
    i agree that things are shifting. forcing everyone to the old routine that is worse for them, worse for the environment and worse for the tech corporations that are peddling this is insane. Gas? If we consume less gas that's good right? Less wear an tear on the cars? Good Not wasting 1-2 hours commuting? Great Having a quiet place where you can gather your thoughts and do knowledge work? Amazing But what about the hard working real estate companies that are going to be impacted by this? What about the small businesses? What about them? Close shop and/or figure out something else that works. Why does everyone have to have a crappier life for you to continue with your crap practices?
- rtp4me 4y ago
  Don't ask yourself or your neighbor. Ask your company why they want you to RTO. Who needs the RTO? Apparently, the company does. This is why they are asking people to return...
  - x86x87 4y ago
    hah. i did ask. I also did ask about the metrics that are used to measure productivity. Do you want to hear what the answer was? crickets!
    - rtp4me 4y ago
      So, I guess at this point you have at least two options: * Go back to the office as expected * Look for another job Which one will you pursue?
      - x86x87 4y ago
        If I had to make the choice it would be another job. Easy choice.
dunefox 4y ago
1. of all the norm for a couple of years is home office 2. it is an objective benefit 3. the norm is what the majority want it to be
andrewmunsell 4y ago
Why does it have to be the norm? We can't just stick to what's been done previously just because it used to be that way. Clearly, for years, workers have been productive remotely. I get some people like being in the office more than WFH, but the "some" is key here and does not align with an RTO mandate
rtp4me 4y ago
Agreed. If the expectation was to work from the office when you were hired, you should expect to go back to the office once the pandemic is/was over. Otherwise, why would you take a job in an office if you didn't want to work there (there - as in "in the office")?

x86x87 4y ago

Hmm... the complaints are getting old? I guess the beatings need to continue until morale improves. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0535/6917/products/traditiondemotivator_grande.jpeg https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0535/6917/products/traditi... Hard disagree with "If you were hired with the expectation that you go in the office, RTO is an eventual expected outcome." Ask yourself why do we need to RTO? Who needs the RTO?

eurticket 4y ago
we should all read between the lines, this big push is from those that invest in the office buildings and surrounding businesses chains, and are hurting from lower proximity of consumers. Stop making your own meals, start consuming from their fast food chain down the block from the building theyre leasing to your company. Stop for gas and buy from their other investments close by. Need people to stop being so self sufficient at home, and suck the rich tit. We are so desperate for the help :( /$
- x86x87 4y ago
  i agree that things are shifting. forcing everyone to the old routine that is worse for them, worse for the environment and worse for the tech corporations that are peddling this is insane. Gas? If we consume less gas that's good right? Less wear an tear on the cars? Good Not wasting 1-2 hours commuting? Great Having a quiet place where you can gather your thoughts and do knowledge work? Amazing But what about the hard working real estate companies that are going to be impacted by this? What about the small businesses? What about them? Close shop and/or figure out something else that works. Why does everyone have to have a crappier life for you to continue with your crap practices?
rtp4me 4y ago
Don't ask yourself or your neighbor. Ask your company why they want you to RTO. Who needs the RTO? Apparently, the company does. This is why they are asking people to return...
- x86x87 4y ago
  hah. i did ask. I also did ask about the metrics that are used to measure productivity. Do you want to hear what the answer was? crickets!
  - rtp4me 4y ago
    So, I guess at this point you have at least two options: * Go back to the office as expected * Look for another job Which one will you pursue?
    - x86x87 4y ago
      If I had to make the choice it would be another job. Easy choice.

dunefox 4y ago

1. of all the norm for a couple of years is home office 2. it is an objective benefit 3. the norm is what the majority want it to be

andrewmunsell 4y ago

Why does it have to be the norm? We can't just stick to what's been done previously just because it used to be that way. Clearly, for years, workers have been productive remotely. I get some people like being in the office more than WFH, but the "some" is key here and does not align with an RTO mandate

rtp4me 4y ago

Agreed. If the expectation was to work from the office when you were hired, you should expect to go back to the office once the pandemic is/was over. Otherwise, why would you take a job in an office if you didn't want to work there (there - as in "in the office")?