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Practically, I agree with you. If you don't need upgrade-ability, buy an Apple. These are the market options, choose and get on with your life. Ideologically,

Practically, I agree with you. If you don't need upgrade-ability, buy an Apple. These are the market options, choose and get on with your life. Ideologically, I disagree with you. If we keep allowing the removal of upgrade-ability to retain a foothold in our devices, we will be worse off in the long-run. My gut says we need to keep beating the drum and taking a stand or it will be bad for our future. But then again, I typed and wrote this on an M1 MacPro, because I've "chosen" and am "getting on with my life" like a true hypocrite.

taylodl 4y ago
IDK. I think Apple's take is these are appliances. Do you worry about upgrading your refrigerator or microwave? That's where computing has gone. Back when every 3 years or so there were significant performance improvements necessitating an upgrade then the ability to upgrade was important. Now you can go 5-10 years before you find your performance lacking - which is also the lifetime of the hardware. Apple has made computers appliances. There may still be niche cases where such an approach is undesirable and that's okay - other vendors are filling that niche.
- softfalcon 4y ago
  If it's an appliance, it should last as long and not become obsolete the same as my appliances do. Examples include: - Kenmore Dishwasher (12 years of age, still running perfectly) - Danby Deep freezer (9 years of age, still running perfectly) - Whirlpool Washer & Dryer (21 years of age, still running perfectly, minor self-service repairs) - Kenmore Refrigerator (11 years of age, still running perfectly) I have barely had to service these items, but when I did (washer and dryer) the parts were readily available and I was able to do the repair myself. When I compare this to my iPhone X, it is quite different: - 1 year in, needed a screen replacement due to a factory faulty digitizer - 3 years in, needed a battery replacement - 4 years in, phone is starting to get slow, heats up a lot when in use If I had to compare this to a "device" I own and use regularly, I would say it feels a lot more like a car and a lot less like my refrigerator. Based on what I'm reading, it would appear the lawyers and courts see it similarly and the only folks disagreeing are Apple/Microsoft/Google/John-Deere. Folks who don't want right-to-repair, which funnily enough, we have for cars and most appliances. Odd that all the sudden they want it otherwise when it's a "computer" but also... is now an "appliance". I wonder why they're so keen to make seem like it's an appliance? Is it perhaps advantageous for them to do so?

taylodl 4y ago

IDK. I think Apple's take is these are appliances. Do you worry about upgrading your refrigerator or microwave? That's where computing has gone. Back when every 3 years or so there were significant performance improvements necessitating an upgrade then the ability to upgrade was important. Now you can go 5-10 years before you find your performance lacking - which is also the lifetime of the hardware. Apple has made computers appliances. There may still be niche cases where such an approach is undesirable and that's okay - other vendors are filling that niche.

softfalcon 4y ago
If it's an appliance, it should last as long and not become obsolete the same as my appliances do. Examples include: - Kenmore Dishwasher (12 years of age, still running perfectly) - Danby Deep freezer (9 years of age, still running perfectly) - Whirlpool Washer & Dryer (21 years of age, still running perfectly, minor self-service repairs) - Kenmore Refrigerator (11 years of age, still running perfectly) I have barely had to service these items, but when I did (washer and dryer) the parts were readily available and I was able to do the repair myself. When I compare this to my iPhone X, it is quite different: - 1 year in, needed a screen replacement due to a factory faulty digitizer - 3 years in, needed a battery replacement - 4 years in, phone is starting to get slow, heats up a lot when in use If I had to compare this to a "device" I own and use regularly, I would say it feels a lot more like a car and a lot less like my refrigerator. Based on what I'm reading, it would appear the lawyers and courts see it similarly and the only folks disagreeing are Apple/Microsoft/Google/John-Deere. Folks who don't want right-to-repair, which funnily enough, we have for cars and most appliances. Odd that all the sudden they want it otherwise when it's a "computer" but also... is now an "appliance". I wonder why they're so keen to make seem like it's an appliance? Is it perhaps advantageous for them to do so?