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> by enforcing planned obsolescence This simply isn't true, as Apple supports their devices from phones to laptops far-far-far longer than their competitors. I

by urda 4y ago

> by enforcing planned obsolescence This simply isn't true, as Apple supports their devices from phones to laptops far-far-far longer than their competitors. It's why iPhones last longer in the wild. They have demonstrated clear support to their customers through their actions.

fsflover 4y ago
GNU/Linux-supported devices receive updates far-far-far longer, both laptops and phones.
- taylodl 4y ago
  Then run Linux on your MacBook when you no longer have an Apple-supported Mac OS, which is 10 years. Lots of people have.
  - fsflover 4y ago
    I heard it's not always reliable, since the proprietary drivers cannot be easily reverse engineered.
    - taylodl 4y ago
      It's actually more reliable than on PC's because there's far fewer hardware combinations to support and Apple doesn't use particularly exotic hardware.
      - fsflover 4y ago
        Is suspend working reliably on Linux for MacBooks?
        taylodl 4y ago
        That's a global issue with Linux. There are people having problems with Linux sleep/suspend on a wide variety of makes of laptops, include Apple's. But not everybody is having a problem with every make of laptop which means it's either a distribution issue, user error, or some combination of the two.
        fsflover 4y ago
        This is not a global issue with Linux. My Librem 15 has 100% reliable sleep. Devices designed for Linux work flawlessly. Devices with closed specifications and not providing any drivers don't work reliably, unsurprisingly.
        taylodl 4y ago
        Google "linux laptop sleep suspend problem" and have fun reading all the problems people are having with sleep/suspend with a variety of makes and models of laptops. Meanwhile, sleep/suspend has been worked out for MacBooks, for some time actually. Presumably even on the M2's since that's the machine Linus uses for his development.
        fsflover 4y ago
        The suspend problems only occur on hardware not designed for Linux, which is most of the available hardware. Therefore I'm not surprised that it affects a variety of laptop models. Meanwhile all devices specifically targeting Linux have a reliable suspend. The same thing is happening with Macs: Hardware designed for MacOS has a reliable suspend on MacOS.
        heavyset_go 4y ago
        Suspend and hibernate have worked on a variety of laptops I've owned over more than a decade. You can also easily build a custom desktop and never run into issues with either. Issues with suspending stem from manufacturers' bespoke components, firmware, configurations and/or non-standard handling of any of those.
  - heavyset_go 4y ago
    That used to be a good solution in like 2015, but there are generations of Macbooks whose Linux support never includes working WiFi, audio or other components: https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux

by urda 4y ago

fsflover 4y ago

GNU/Linux-supported devices receive updates far-far-far longer, both laptops and phones.

taylodl 4y ago
Then run Linux on your MacBook when you no longer have an Apple-supported Mac OS, which is 10 years. Lots of people have.
- fsflover 4y ago
  I heard it's not always reliable, since the proprietary drivers cannot be easily reverse engineered.
  - taylodl 4y ago
    It's actually more reliable than on PC's because there's far fewer hardware combinations to support and Apple doesn't use particularly exotic hardware.
    - fsflover 4y ago
      Is suspend working reliably on Linux for MacBooks?
      - taylodl 4y ago
        That's a global issue with Linux. There are people having problems with Linux sleep/suspend on a wide variety of makes of laptops, include Apple's. But not everybody is having a problem with every make of laptop which means it's either a distribution issue, user error, or some combination of the two.
        fsflover 4y ago
        This is not a global issue with Linux. My Librem 15 has 100% reliable sleep. Devices designed for Linux work flawlessly. Devices with closed specifications and not providing any drivers don't work reliably, unsurprisingly.
        taylodl 4y ago
        Google "linux laptop sleep suspend problem" and have fun reading all the problems people are having with sleep/suspend with a variety of makes and models of laptops. Meanwhile, sleep/suspend has been worked out for MacBooks, for some time actually. Presumably even on the M2's since that's the machine Linus uses for his development.
        fsflover 4y ago
        The suspend problems only occur on hardware not designed for Linux, which is most of the available hardware. Therefore I'm not surprised that it affects a variety of laptop models. Meanwhile all devices specifically targeting Linux have a reliable suspend. The same thing is happening with Macs: Hardware designed for MacOS has a reliable suspend on MacOS.
        heavyset_go 4y ago
        Suspend and hibernate have worked on a variety of laptops I've owned over more than a decade. You can also easily build a custom desktop and never run into issues with either. Issues with suspending stem from manufacturers' bespoke components, firmware, configurations and/or non-standard handling of any of those.
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  That used to be a good solution in like 2015, but there are generations of Macbooks whose Linux support never includes working WiFi, audio or other components: https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux