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> MBP doesn't have a trackpoint. Still can't run Linux as well, lacks USB A so still requires constant dongles despite improved port selection. I've never want

> MBP doesn't have a trackpoint. Still can't run Linux as well, lacks USB A so still requires constant dongles despite improved port selection. I've never wanted a nipple mouse, but to each their own and I know some people love them. What I have wanted is a giant 6" diagonal multi-touch trackpad. Linux is very much a non-goal for me, and if I want to, I can always SSH into a remote instance or run a VM. I don't miss type A at all, and the 14/16" M1/2s have a much broader variety of ports which largely solves the dongle issue. [edit] the only place I have a lot of Type A devices I also have a thunderbolt dock with gigabit ethernet too. > The machine doesn't go from frigid to boiling in 3 minutes either. That's a feature of the Intel CPU on the 2018 15" MBP. You will not find the same on an M1/2. In fact I'm not sure it even warms up?

niclo 4y ago
> You will not find the same on an M1/2. In fact I'm not sure it even warms up? My M2 does quite regularly with only Chrome, Slack, VS Code and a few docker containers running.
- ChrisRR 4y ago
  I hate that sub downvotes facts that they don't like
  - catchnear4321 4y ago
    You’re confusing facts with anecdotal evidence.
- ghc 4y ago
  I know from extensive debugging of this issue that docker is the problem. You basically can't run docker (as of 6 months ago...I hope this will eventually be false) on an M1/M2 without causing significant heating and battery drain. Since this is the fault of the OS, maybe Asahi will eventually be the solution.
  - niclo 4y ago
    Yes, same conclusion. I wonder if people using it for writing code are running docker at all, you read so many comments on HN of how the battery life is incredible (on any thread about comparisons between any Mac and any other laptop) while in my experience a full charge Macbook Air M2 lasts about 6 hours with Docker running instead of the usual 15 it lasts when its off.
    - kitsunesoba 4y ago
      I use my company-provided M1 Pro MBP for mobile dev (Xcode, Android Studio) and battery life and heat are both great for that use case. Very rarely run Docker, but when I have it's seemed more resource hungry than anything else running.
    - zoover2020 4y ago
      Can't you run Docker on a remote host? I always have a 64GB memory EC2 instance near if required.
    - paulmd 4y ago
      Run arm64 ubuntu in a VM and use arm64 images and it should be very fine? I have a 256GB (with easy/cheap room for 768gb) 28c haswell-e server sitting in my basement though too. Costs like 1/3 of a macbook pro if it comes down to it.
    - mariosisters 4y ago
      I write code full time. I run Docker as little as possible, preferring to run everything “natively”. It’s so much simpler than figuring out how to get whatever shitty webstack working with reloading etc. It’s faster. Battery life is better. There’s no downside in my experience as macOS is a good enough *nix that almost everything Just Works™. The only time I run Docker is to test an image locally, which is in general only to debug my Dockerfile.
    - acdha 4y ago
      I switched to using Podman when the licensing terms came out and it was clear we weren’t going to be able to get a procurement through. The move was generally painless and the battery life is great - no noticeable impact unless I’m actually hammering the CPU in a container.
Vrondi 4y ago
By the time you have a giant 6" trackpad, then a touchscreen just absolutely makes more sense, but oh, yeah, right, Apple insists on being a decade+ behind the times on laptop hardware features while insisting they're better.
- tstrimple 4y ago
  It does not. Touching the screen requires moving your hand even further away from the keyboard and requires getting your screen all smudged up. I abhor touch screen laptops. They make much more sense in convertible laptops with pen input.
- arcticbull 4y ago
  I actually disagree. It's all about ergonomics. Holding your hand/wrist up to the screen all day is unnatural and tiring - not to mention smudgey and annoying. The large trackpad being planar with the keyboard allows you to use without physical stress for extended periods of time. Their position is if you want to fing on something, fing on an iPad. If you want to type, point and gesture, get a MacBook. I'm very ok with that and personally satisfied that Apple didn't jump on that bandwagon.
- bryceacc 4y ago
  moving my fingers on a trackpad is way better than stabbing my meat stick on a screen in terms of accuracy and personal energy use

niclo 4y ago

> You will not find the same on an M1/2. In fact I'm not sure it even warms up? My M2 does quite regularly with only Chrome, Slack, VS Code and a few docker containers running.

ChrisRR 4y ago
I hate that sub downvotes facts that they don't like
- catchnear4321 4y ago
  You’re confusing facts with anecdotal evidence.
ghc 4y ago
I know from extensive debugging of this issue that docker is the problem. You basically can't run docker (as of 6 months ago...I hope this will eventually be false) on an M1/M2 without causing significant heating and battery drain. Since this is the fault of the OS, maybe Asahi will eventually be the solution.
- niclo 4y ago
  Yes, same conclusion. I wonder if people using it for writing code are running docker at all, you read so many comments on HN of how the battery life is incredible (on any thread about comparisons between any Mac and any other laptop) while in my experience a full charge Macbook Air M2 lasts about 6 hours with Docker running instead of the usual 15 it lasts when its off.
  - kitsunesoba 4y ago
    I use my company-provided M1 Pro MBP for mobile dev (Xcode, Android Studio) and battery life and heat are both great for that use case. Very rarely run Docker, but when I have it's seemed more resource hungry than anything else running.
  - zoover2020 4y ago
    Can't you run Docker on a remote host? I always have a 64GB memory EC2 instance near if required.
  - paulmd 4y ago
    Run arm64 ubuntu in a VM and use arm64 images and it should be very fine? I have a 256GB (with easy/cheap room for 768gb) 28c haswell-e server sitting in my basement though too. Costs like 1/3 of a macbook pro if it comes down to it.
  - mariosisters 4y ago
    I write code full time. I run Docker as little as possible, preferring to run everything “natively”. It’s so much simpler than figuring out how to get whatever shitty webstack working with reloading etc. It’s faster. Battery life is better. There’s no downside in my experience as macOS is a good enough *nix that almost everything Just Works™. The only time I run Docker is to test an image locally, which is in general only to debug my Dockerfile.
  - acdha 4y ago
    I switched to using Podman when the licensing terms came out and it was clear we weren’t going to be able to get a procurement through. The move was generally painless and the battery life is great - no noticeable impact unless I’m actually hammering the CPU in a container.

Vrondi 4y ago

By the time you have a giant 6" trackpad, then a touchscreen just absolutely makes more sense, but oh, yeah, right, Apple insists on being a decade+ behind the times on laptop hardware features while insisting they're better.

tstrimple 4y ago
It does not. Touching the screen requires moving your hand even further away from the keyboard and requires getting your screen all smudged up. I abhor touch screen laptops. They make much more sense in convertible laptops with pen input.
arcticbull 4y ago
I actually disagree. It's all about ergonomics. Holding your hand/wrist up to the screen all day is unnatural and tiring - not to mention smudgey and annoying. The large trackpad being planar with the keyboard allows you to use without physical stress for extended periods of time. Their position is if you want to fing on something, fing on an iPad. If you want to type, point and gesture, get a MacBook. I'm very ok with that and personally satisfied that Apple didn't jump on that bandwagon.
bryceacc 4y ago
moving my fingers on a trackpad is way better than stabbing my meat stick on a screen in terms of accuracy and personal energy use