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I'm in my 40s. Same. This morning I had to get up at 0615 for the second morning in succession due to a couple of appointments. This is absolutely not normal f

I'm in my 40s. Same. This morning I had to get up at 0615 for the second morning in succession due to a couple of appointments. This is absolutely not normal for me and it's completely painful. Obviously sometimes it has to happen, and that's OK, but it comes at a cost. People will say, "just go to bed earlier", but actually that doesn't really work because unless I go to bed hours after I've eaten I don't sleep and tend to get heartburn. Case in point, last night: got home at about 1915, ate dinner just after 2000, went to bed at 2200 (because I had to get up early this morning), slept like absolute crap. Sorry (not sorry), but I can't live like this. I need a good 8 hours a night every night, and that means going to bed at 2300 - 0000 and getting up at 0700 or, ideally, 0800. I work much better that way, and am much happier with it. More than that, I'm not falling asleep by lunchtime.

j_crick 4y ago
> I go to bed hours after I've eaten I feel like this is extremely important. I try very hard to eat no late than at least 4 hours before I feel like going to sleep. And get as sober as possible before that too.
mrpopo 4y ago
You can eat earlier than 20.00?... I think it's detrimental to someone's quality of life to be unable to shift their sleping schedule. The only physiological thing you cannot shift is the sunlight. If I have to wake up early before sunrise and feel like crap, I will take a walk out a couple hours later and the rest of my day will be productive.
- bartread 4y ago
  Not when I've got in after 1900 I can't.
  - bosie 4y ago
    why not? eat before 7pm?
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- inciampati 4y ago
  This is a big deal. You will be awake when you eat, 24 hours later, even if that's the middle of the night. You can shift your internal clock faster this way than any other.
GoToRO 4y ago
It can be done but it's hard with todays jobs. The advice I was given was to wake up and then do not rest in bed until I go to bed. Sitting on a chair all day is about the same. I did manage to switch from a night owl to a morning person but what I realized is that sitting on a chair, starring at blue light and the stress to "make things work" are actually toxic and they will mess up my sleep.
- 6510 4y ago
  I look at the screen, make a mental list (sometimes on paper) of the things to do, get away from the screen and go over the items in my head. It's not supper productive but it does contribute to the process without screen time.
himinlomax 4y ago
> unless I go to bed hours after I've eaten I don't sleep and tend to get heartburn FWIW YMMV going low-carb completely cured my heartburns who were particularly annoying when laying down just like you. I had been taking proton pump inhibitors for 10 years before finding that out. And every time I eat carbs, I need to take antacids. It doesn't seem like it's been studied much, but insulin stimulates the proton pump and the stomach produces more acid.
imarg 4y ago
It's funny that you say you are not an early bird yet for me going to bed at 2300 - 0000 and getting up at 0700 or 0800 is still early. I consider myself a night owl and if I ever get to bed before midnight I consider this early. I still have to wake up between 0730 and 0800 (because life/obligations) and that is why I am like a zombie half the day. But no matter how tired I might be through the day, at night something happens and I feel full of energy.
- TeMPOraL 4y ago
  Same here. It seems that I don't have just one tank for "energy", but two, and the second one unlocks somewhen between 20:00 and 23:00. More than that, no matter what time I go to sleep, I can't possibly get up on my own before ~10:00. This does not happen, period. Between moving out of my parents' house and moving in with my wife, I had some years to do experiments on this, and there's one consistent result: whenever I'm not forced to wake up at specific time (say, by threat of getting fired, or just because I asked someone to keep calling me to make sure I got up), my sleeping pattern always settles around going to bed ~04:00 and waking up ~11:00. Whenever the external pressure stops, I automatically revert to that mode in two or three days. It would all be fine, except this sleep mode is thoroughly incompatible with normal people and the society at large :/.
  - kennyadam 4y ago
    I'm very similar to you. Left to my own schedule, I will go to bed around 2-3am and wake up about 10am. Unfortunately, I have to be out of bed around 6:30am for work, but no matter how hard I try or how tired I was during the day, when it's the evening my brain wakes up and I just cant get to sleep before 12-1am. The only thing that really helps is cannabis, but as I got older cannabis started giving me anxiety really bad.
  - 6510 4y ago
    It would be cool to research those ideal times. It is obvious that if one sticks to the hard coded ideal rest/wake times one is much more energetic, productive and more focused but I'm curious how big the difference is. Around 11 am I can wake up and cycle 200 km or run a marathon starting immediately. If you ask me kindly to run 100 meters around 6 am your life is probably in danger.
paulcole 4y ago
> People will say, "just go to bed earlier" This is the advice you need to avoid. Don't go to bed earlier. Go to bed when you are tired. Then get up at exactly the time you set your alarm for the next morning. Then repeat that over and over, every single day (even weekends). You will adapt and start going to bed earlier so you get the amount of rest you need. Or you'll make an excuse for why you can't do this and why it certainly won't work for you.

j_crick 4y ago

> I go to bed hours after I've eaten I feel like this is extremely important. I try very hard to eat no late than at least 4 hours before I feel like going to sleep. And get as sober as possible before that too.

mrpopo 4y ago

You can eat earlier than 20.00?... I think it's detrimental to someone's quality of life to be unable to shift their sleping schedule. The only physiological thing you cannot shift is the sunlight. If I have to wake up early before sunrise and feel like crap, I will take a walk out a couple hours later and the rest of my day will be productive.

bartread 4y ago
Not when I've got in after 1900 I can't.
- bosie 4y ago
  why not? eat before 7pm?
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
inciampati 4y ago
This is a big deal. You will be awake when you eat, 24 hours later, even if that's the middle of the night. You can shift your internal clock faster this way than any other.

GoToRO 4y ago

It can be done but it's hard with todays jobs. The advice I was given was to wake up and then do not rest in bed until I go to bed. Sitting on a chair all day is about the same. I did manage to switch from a night owl to a morning person but what I realized is that sitting on a chair, starring at blue light and the stress to "make things work" are actually toxic and they will mess up my sleep.

6510 4y ago
I look at the screen, make a mental list (sometimes on paper) of the things to do, get away from the screen and go over the items in my head. It's not supper productive but it does contribute to the process without screen time.

himinlomax 4y ago

> unless I go to bed hours after I've eaten I don't sleep and tend to get heartburn FWIW YMMV going low-carb completely cured my heartburns who were particularly annoying when laying down just like you. I had been taking proton pump inhibitors for 10 years before finding that out. And every time I eat carbs, I need to take antacids. It doesn't seem like it's been studied much, but insulin stimulates the proton pump and the stomach produces more acid.

imarg 4y ago

It's funny that you say you are not an early bird yet for me going to bed at 2300 - 0000 and getting up at 0700 or 0800 is still early. I consider myself a night owl and if I ever get to bed before midnight I consider this early. I still have to wake up between 0730 and 0800 (because life/obligations) and that is why I am like a zombie half the day. But no matter how tired I might be through the day, at night something happens and I feel full of energy.

TeMPOraL 4y ago
Same here. It seems that I don't have just one tank for "energy", but two, and the second one unlocks somewhen between 20:00 and 23:00. More than that, no matter what time I go to sleep, I can't possibly get up on my own before ~10:00. This does not happen, period. Between moving out of my parents' house and moving in with my wife, I had some years to do experiments on this, and there's one consistent result: whenever I'm not forced to wake up at specific time (say, by threat of getting fired, or just because I asked someone to keep calling me to make sure I got up), my sleeping pattern always settles around going to bed ~04:00 and waking up ~11:00. Whenever the external pressure stops, I automatically revert to that mode in two or three days. It would all be fine, except this sleep mode is thoroughly incompatible with normal people and the society at large :/.
- kennyadam 4y ago
  I'm very similar to you. Left to my own schedule, I will go to bed around 2-3am and wake up about 10am. Unfortunately, I have to be out of bed around 6:30am for work, but no matter how hard I try or how tired I was during the day, when it's the evening my brain wakes up and I just cant get to sleep before 12-1am. The only thing that really helps is cannabis, but as I got older cannabis started giving me anxiety really bad.
- 6510 4y ago
  It would be cool to research those ideal times. It is obvious that if one sticks to the hard coded ideal rest/wake times one is much more energetic, productive and more focused but I'm curious how big the difference is. Around 11 am I can wake up and cycle 200 km or run a marathon starting immediately. If you ask me kindly to run 100 meters around 6 am your life is probably in danger.

paulcole 4y ago

> People will say, "just go to bed earlier" This is the advice you need to avoid. Don't go to bed earlier. Go to bed when you are tired. Then get up at exactly the time you set your alarm for the next morning. Then repeat that over and over, every single day (even weekends). You will adapt and start going to bed earlier so you get the amount of rest you need. Or you'll make an excuse for why you can't do this and why it certainly won't work for you.