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Commute time is huge as well. I went to a University that had double to triple the amount of undergrads to parking spots. The student's time was a total afterth

Commute time is huge as well. I went to a University that had double to triple the amount of undergrads to parking spots. The student's time was a total afterthought. An 8am class would be showing up at 6-7 to find parking and get to the classroom. Disgusting, I never took courses that required regular attendance there for that reason. There's so many compounding variables that emerge from Universities total neglect of prioritizing learning. I don't think its as simple as early=bad.

mold_aid 4y ago
This is an excellent point, but I have to tell you that it gets worse at the middle of the day because 8am courses are taken by a self-selecting group of students ("I want the 8am" and "I didn't start registering until the last minute"). The parking issue picks up at 10 am and nobody can find a spot - I drive around the faculty lots for 15 minutes on my MWF semesters and emerge at 5 pm to find everybody gone (as you'd expect). By 11 students are parked on top of berms, in staff spots (a ticket? the price of doing business), in motorcycle spots, everywhere. My course meetings start for real 5 minutes after posted time; it's all warmup for those in dorms who get there at the hour.
- corbulo 4y ago
  You're absolutely correct. I was focusing on the post, but if your class is at 3pm you have to show up at like 8-10am or something ridiculous to get a spot. Parking permits are such a scam.
  - pamplemoose 4y ago
    What would you prefer to parking permits? The scam is living in a society that requires a car for normal day to day living.
    - corbulo 4y ago
      If the school has overbooked students:parking then its a scam to offer parking permits to students who probabilistically will never find a parking spot without resorting to the extremes (time or distance). There's no reason to offer a permit (or charge for it). I don't think its because of cars. There wont ever be a high quality uni in walking distance for 20,000+ people simultaneously.
      - stefs 4y ago
        there's also cycling and public transport. a single parking spot can fit up to 12 bikes and - in a perfect world - there'd be park & ride facilities on the city outskirts with tram connections to the uni. thus you wouldn't have to drive your car through rush hour city traffic.

mold_aid 4y ago

This is an excellent point, but I have to tell you that it gets worse at the middle of the day because 8am courses are taken by a self-selecting group of students ("I want the 8am" and "I didn't start registering until the last minute"). The parking issue picks up at 10 am and nobody can find a spot - I drive around the faculty lots for 15 minutes on my MWF semesters and emerge at 5 pm to find everybody gone (as you'd expect). By 11 students are parked on top of berms, in staff spots (a ticket? the price of doing business), in motorcycle spots, everywhere. My course meetings start for real 5 minutes after posted time; it's all warmup for those in dorms who get there at the hour.

corbulo 4y ago
You're absolutely correct. I was focusing on the post, but if your class is at 3pm you have to show up at like 8-10am or something ridiculous to get a spot. Parking permits are such a scam.
- pamplemoose 4y ago
  What would you prefer to parking permits? The scam is living in a society that requires a car for normal day to day living.
  - corbulo 4y ago
    If the school has overbooked students:parking then its a scam to offer parking permits to students who probabilistically will never find a parking spot without resorting to the extremes (time or distance). There's no reason to offer a permit (or charge for it). I don't think its because of cars. There wont ever be a high quality uni in walking distance for 20,000+ people simultaneously.
    - stefs 4y ago
      there's also cycling and public transport. a single parking spot can fit up to 12 bikes and - in a perfect world - there'd be park & ride facilities on the city outskirts with tram connections to the uni. thus you wouldn't have to drive your car through rush hour city traffic.