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There are at least 3 radically different concepts of a 4 day work week: - same hours, same pay - reduced hours, same pay - reduced hours, reduced pay Why is

by golol 4y ago

There are at least 3 radically different concepts of a 4 day work week: - same hours, same pay - reduced hours, same pay - reduced hours, reduced pay Why is it always so hard to find this information when people discuss 4 day work weeks? The constant vagueness here is extremely toxic to the diaglogue. People talk past eachother.

gonzo41 4y ago
Employers don't actually use the 40 hours from knowledge workers. If managers planned they'd be able to get better productivity. But as we all know. Bubble in the pipeline cause stalls and then you get meetings and planning days and all staffs that are an hour long which could have been an email. Hopefully they do same pay, Less hours. It's a bit tough out there with inflation
- usrbinbash 4y ago
  > It's a bit tough out there with inflation Considering that the economy enjoyed 3 decades of basically uninterrupted growth, including right through all significant financial crisis situations (by massively supporting companies with taxpayers money), I couldn't care less how "hard" it is for companys with inflation now. Baby-Boomers are going into retirement, the next 2 generations are low birth. The workforce is going to be an increasingly limited commodity. Supply and Demand also apply when it doesn't benefit the companies. Either companies adapt, no matter how tough it is, or there will be less companies, easy as that.
Cthulhu_ 4y ago
Yeah, articles like this should be more clear on that. In NL the 4 day work week is normalized (by law you're allowed to work less hours if you choose to), but your pay and everything is adjusted accordingly.
barryvan 4y ago
My default assumption is that if people talk about "0.8FTE", they mean 80% pay for 80% time and 80% output, whereas "4dw" _should_ equate to 100% pay for 80% time and 100% output. If it's anything other than 100/80/100, it's flexible work rather than a four-day working week.
darrenf 4y ago
> Why is it always so hard to find this information when people discuss 4 day work weeks? The constant vagueness here is extremely toxic to the diaglogue. I don't think I agree that it's hard to find at all. In almost all coverage I've seen of this in the UK it has been made extremely clear either in the headline or the opening paragraph that it's "reduced hours, same pay". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63808326 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63808326 opens with "When Joe Dance was offered the chance to earn his full salary by working just four days a week, he was sceptical." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61570021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61570021 is headlined "The workers getting 100% of the pay for 80% of the hours" The pilot scheme's own website https://www.4dayweek.co.uk/pilot-programme https://www.4dayweek.co.uk/pilot-programme says "with almost every company that took part deciding to continue with a four-day week, with no loss of pay for workers."
Joeboy 4y ago
See also Basic Income (a bit of free pocket money vs enough to subsist in a first world city, including accommodation).

by golol 4y ago

gonzo41 4y ago

Employers don't actually use the 40 hours from knowledge workers. If managers planned they'd be able to get better productivity. But as we all know. Bubble in the pipeline cause stalls and then you get meetings and planning days and all staffs that are an hour long which could have been an email. Hopefully they do same pay, Less hours. It's a bit tough out there with inflation

usrbinbash 4y ago
> It's a bit tough out there with inflation Considering that the economy enjoyed 3 decades of basically uninterrupted growth, including right through all significant financial crisis situations (by massively supporting companies with taxpayers money), I couldn't care less how "hard" it is for companys with inflation now. Baby-Boomers are going into retirement, the next 2 generations are low birth. The workforce is going to be an increasingly limited commodity. Supply and Demand also apply when it doesn't benefit the companies. Either companies adapt, no matter how tough it is, or there will be less companies, easy as that.

Cthulhu_ 4y ago

Yeah, articles like this should be more clear on that. In NL the 4 day work week is normalized (by law you're allowed to work less hours if you choose to), but your pay and everything is adjusted accordingly.

barryvan 4y ago

My default assumption is that if people talk about "0.8FTE", they mean 80% pay for 80% time and 80% output, whereas "4dw" _should_ equate to 100% pay for 80% time and 100% output. If it's anything other than 100/80/100, it's flexible work rather than a four-day working week.

darrenf 4y ago

> Why is it always so hard to find this information when people discuss 4 day work weeks? The constant vagueness here is extremely toxic to the diaglogue. I don't think I agree that it's hard to find at all. In almost all coverage I've seen of this in the UK it has been made extremely clear either in the headline or the opening paragraph that it's "reduced hours, same pay". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63808326 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63808326 opens with "When Joe Dance was offered the chance to earn his full salary by working just four days a week, he was sceptical." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61570021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61570021 is headlined "The workers getting 100% of the pay for 80% of the hours" The pilot scheme's own website https://www.4dayweek.co.uk/pilot-programme https://www.4dayweek.co.uk/pilot-programme says "with almost every company that took part deciding to continue with a four-day week, with no loss of pay for workers."

Joeboy 4y ago

See also Basic Income (a bit of free pocket money vs enough to subsist in a first world city, including accommodation).