My impression is that what happens sometimes is managers just keep hiring more and more managers, and then eventually someone twigs and suddenly there's a big c

My impression is that what happens sometimes is managers just keep hiring more and more managers, and then eventually someone twigs and suddenly there's a big cull of management. It's happened to companies I've been at a couple of times. You get to a point where there's two product managers and and a product owner per team, with like three or four engineers until someone realises.