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> Yet again, no evidence.You have to get your facts straight, good sir. They're more evidence for the child rape accusations than any of the Russian claims. Bu

by _kbh_ 4y ago

> Yet again, no evidence.You have to get your facts straight, good sir. They're more evidence for the child rape accusations than any of the Russian claims. But you choose to believe one and not the other, I wonder why. > And even if it was true, maybe if ukrainians did't overthow the goverment and replace it with neo-nazis, east ukrainians wouldn't want autonomy. Just sayin So the Russians are allowed to invade and start a civil war because a government that didn't cow-tow to Russia constantly got into power?. > why then they don't present it in any verifiable form to russia? Maybe it would help to prosecute such criminals. Just sayin. Because Russia gives medals to the rapists, the torturers and the people who kill civilians so why would anyone bother. > European countries are interested in smearing Russia. Like they say Nord stream blow up is russias doing, like its famous russian entertainment to first build billion dollar pipelines and then destroy them for no reason. Russia has a lot of experience in blowing up pipelines, they have done it multiple times in the past, but as far as I know, no one government in Europe has come out and said who did it?. > Stop blindly believing everything on the internet. Use your brain goddamit. Stop blindly parroting Russian propaganda. > only such video i've seen is when ukrainians tortured one of their own (who was rumored to be a pdf-file or something like that idk) they tried to frame it like russians were torturing ukrainian soldier, but it can be clearly seen in the video that their russian dress-up is sloppy to say the least. A yes of course it's Ukrainains dressed up as Russians to blame for something. Not just the Russians being Russians. This video was originally posted on a Pro Russian telegram, where the poster identified the person who was being castrated, and the person doing he castrating as Russian. Why would a Pro Russian Telegram post that if it was fake.

akamaine 4y ago
> more evidence quality over quantity. > Russians are allowed ...to protect fellow russian speaking folks from the slaughter by neo-nazi regime. And for starters, russia didn't start civil war, ukraine did when they started shelling donbas. > Because Russia gives medals to the rapists, the torturers and the people who kill civilians so why would anyone bother. Maybe they don't know these people are horrible criminals. If you have proof present it already and stop with the excuses. > they have done it multiple times in the past examples? > Stop blindly parroting Russian propaganda. Stop blindly parroting USA propaganda. > Not just the Russians being Russians. Oh, so you are a nazi. Could have said so from the start, maybe we'd avoid all this argument. You just hate russians. > Why would a Pro Russian Telegram post that if it was fake. There are a lot of posting going on rn. Most of it is bound to be fake. Can you for example give me one example of idk... Zelensky saying something that isn't utter bullshit.
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > quality over quantity. Exactly, the quality of any evidence for Russians claim is nearly 0. > ...to protect fellow russian speaking folks from the slaughter by neo-nazi regime. Where's the quality evidence for any of this?, no that im expecting any, the 'neo-nazi' shtick is typical Russian propaganda. > Maybe they don't know these people are horrible criminals. If you have proof present it already and stop with the excuses. A yes, I forgot, Russia the country without access to the internet or other media. Theres plenty of evidence online and plenty of people have provided lots, Russia doesn't care. > Stop blindly parroting USA propaganda. The truth, is not propaganda, just because it makes Russia look bad does not mean it's false. > Oh, so you are a nazi. Could have said so from the start, maybe we'd avoid all this argument. You just hate russians. I don't hate Russians, but I do hate people who rape children and torture civilians, but I can see why it'd be easy to mix them up. I am also confused about how not liking Russians would make a nazi, care to explain that train of thought for me?. > There are a lot of posting going on rn. Most of it is bound to be fake. Can you for example give me one example of idk... Zelensky saying something that isn't utter bullshit. So the Russians are posting fake news, that makes them look like there castrating a Ukrainian soldier, to their own telegram so that they can achieve what exactly?. Yeah im sorry that makes literally no sense. Far more likely its real, its just very inconvenient for you.
  - akamaine 4y ago
    > quality of any evidence for Russians claim is nearly 0 Baseless. > Where's the quality evidence for any of this? Proof of what? That Russia has the right to protect fellow Russians? Or are doubting the slaughtering part? If it's the latter it's ridiculous, cause even western media (if understated) but wrote about donbas shelling by Ukraine. Read some OSCE reports for example. > A yes, I forgot, Russia the country without access to the internet or other media. Theres plenty of evidence online and plenty of people have provided lots, Russia doesn't care. Ah yes, I forgot, the west bans all even slightly pro-russian outlets (in a very democratic way of course), that's why you didn't see any proof of Ukraine military commiting actual war crimes. But hey, I guess the west just doesn't care. They will fuel the conflict and they will "fight till the last Ukrainian". > The truth, is not propaganda, just because it makes Russia look bad does not mean it's false. I can call my position "the truth", what makes your "truth" better than my "truth", huh? Oh, yes, it doesn't paint the west in any negative connotation. > but I can see why it'd be easy to mix them up. Attaching negative traits to nation that is. It is alike saying "all [nation/race] are criminals", don't you see? > I am also confused about how not liking Russians would make a nazi, care to explain that train of thought for me? If you don't see how HATING ENTIRE NATION makes you a nazi, something is seriously with you. > So the Russians are posting fake news, that makes them look like there castrating a Ukrainian soldier, to their own telegram so that they can achieve what exactly?. Idk, as the tg admin who posted it (btw, if you believe tg channels you have no right to question my sources, lmao). I saw Ukrainian blogger post video of him allegedly "eat a corpse of Russian soldier"(which is entirely fake). What was he trying to achieve? I also saw a video of Ukrainian woman "cutting throat of Russian soldier with a sickle" and saying something along the lines of "you are not welcome here", what was she trying to achieve? I'll tell you what... intimidation. It's psychological warfare. Every side will try post something that is scary to the other. Doesn't matter if it's fake or not.

by _kbh_ 4y ago

akamaine 4y ago

> more evidence quality over quantity. > Russians are allowed ...to protect fellow russian speaking folks from the slaughter by neo-nazi regime. And for starters, russia didn't start civil war, ukraine did when they started shelling donbas. > Because Russia gives medals to the rapists, the torturers and the people who kill civilians so why would anyone bother. Maybe they don't know these people are horrible criminals. If you have proof present it already and stop with the excuses. > they have done it multiple times in the past examples? > Stop blindly parroting Russian propaganda. Stop blindly parroting USA propaganda. > Not just the Russians being Russians. Oh, so you are a nazi. Could have said so from the start, maybe we'd avoid all this argument. You just hate russians. > Why would a Pro Russian Telegram post that if it was fake. There are a lot of posting going on rn. Most of it is bound to be fake. Can you for example give me one example of idk... Zelensky saying something that isn't utter bullshit.

_kbh_ 4y ago
> quality over quantity. Exactly, the quality of any evidence for Russians claim is nearly 0. > ...to protect fellow russian speaking folks from the slaughter by neo-nazi regime. Where's the quality evidence for any of this?, no that im expecting any, the 'neo-nazi' shtick is typical Russian propaganda. > Maybe they don't know these people are horrible criminals. If you have proof present it already and stop with the excuses. A yes, I forgot, Russia the country without access to the internet or other media. Theres plenty of evidence online and plenty of people have provided lots, Russia doesn't care. > Stop blindly parroting USA propaganda. The truth, is not propaganda, just because it makes Russia look bad does not mean it's false. > Oh, so you are a nazi. Could have said so from the start, maybe we'd avoid all this argument. You just hate russians. I don't hate Russians, but I do hate people who rape children and torture civilians, but I can see why it'd be easy to mix them up. I am also confused about how not liking Russians would make a nazi, care to explain that train of thought for me?. > There are a lot of posting going on rn. Most of it is bound to be fake. Can you for example give me one example of idk... Zelensky saying something that isn't utter bullshit. So the Russians are posting fake news, that makes them look like there castrating a Ukrainian soldier, to their own telegram so that they can achieve what exactly?. Yeah im sorry that makes literally no sense. Far more likely its real, its just very inconvenient for you.
- akamaine 4y ago
  > quality of any evidence for Russians claim is nearly 0 Baseless. > Where's the quality evidence for any of this? Proof of what? That Russia has the right to protect fellow Russians? Or are doubting the slaughtering part? If it's the latter it's ridiculous, cause even western media (if understated) but wrote about donbas shelling by Ukraine. Read some OSCE reports for example. > A yes, I forgot, Russia the country without access to the internet or other media. Theres plenty of evidence online and plenty of people have provided lots, Russia doesn't care. Ah yes, I forgot, the west bans all even slightly pro-russian outlets (in a very democratic way of course), that's why you didn't see any proof of Ukraine military commiting actual war crimes. But hey, I guess the west just doesn't care. They will fuel the conflict and they will "fight till the last Ukrainian". > The truth, is not propaganda, just because it makes Russia look bad does not mean it's false. I can call my position "the truth", what makes your "truth" better than my "truth", huh? Oh, yes, it doesn't paint the west in any negative connotation. > but I can see why it'd be easy to mix them up. Attaching negative traits to nation that is. It is alike saying "all [nation/race] are criminals", don't you see? > I am also confused about how not liking Russians would make a nazi, care to explain that train of thought for me? If you don't see how HATING ENTIRE NATION makes you a nazi, something is seriously with you. > So the Russians are posting fake news, that makes them look like there castrating a Ukrainian soldier, to their own telegram so that they can achieve what exactly?. Idk, as the tg admin who posted it (btw, if you believe tg channels you have no right to question my sources, lmao). I saw Ukrainian blogger post video of him allegedly "eat a corpse of Russian soldier"(which is entirely fake). What was he trying to achieve? I also saw a video of Ukrainian woman "cutting throat of Russian soldier with a sickle" and saying something along the lines of "you are not welcome here", what was she trying to achieve? I'll tell you what... intimidation. It's psychological warfare. Every side will try post something that is scary to the other. Doesn't matter if it's fake or not.