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Living in Singapore for 10 years I talked to quite a few people from India living in Singapore. It seems that it’s an older generation thing. The younger ones

Living in Singapore for 10 years I talked to quite a few people from India living in Singapore. It seems that it’s an older generation thing. The younger ones don’t care about caste at all but if their parents ask about their friends they will lie, because their parents care a lot about caste. And while caste is illegal in India. It’s such a big country it’s difficult to enforce. So it’s still rampant outside of the big cities. I used to donate to a charity which builds wells in India for small villages to ensure they have safe clean drinking water. They supply the materials but everyone in the village must contribute to building it and everyone must have access regardless of caste. If the village does not agree they won’t help. I can’t remember what the charity was called :(

anaganisk 4y ago
Now way its an old generation thing? I've seen "gang wars" among young adults of different castes in reputed Indian universities, located in cities. I have first hand experience with people who chose friends based on caste. And caste is not illegal in India discrimination is, but politicians here are mostly caste mongerers and win elections.
- shauryamanu 4y ago
  reputed ? sure they're?
  - anaganisk 4y ago
    I can give you the names, and they will feature in the top 50.
  - unmole 4y ago
    I know of six universities where what the GP said is true and all six of them made it here: https://www.nirfindia.org/2022/UniversityRanking.html https://www.nirfindia.org/2022/UniversityRanking.html
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  > And caste is not illegal in India discrimination is The caste system was outlawed ages ago. It very much is illegal.
  - rishav_sharan 4y ago
    How then do you have caste based matrimony sites?
  - fmajid 4y ago
    But they have their own version of Affirmative Action, notably quotas for universities and government jobs, and a very common form of caste discrimination by upper-caste Indians in the US is to claim a lower-caste graduate from a prestigious university like IIT isn’t a genuine one because he was a “diversity admission”.
    - RestlessMind 4y ago
      IIT has a common entrance exam and admissions are offered solely on your performance in that exam. If you see someone getting in with a very low score compared to the rest of the class, they will be rightfully branded as "diversity admission". It is no wonder that 60% of dropouts at 7 IITs are from reserved categories: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/parliament-proceedings-60-of-dropouts-at-7-iits-from-reserved-categories/article35752730.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/parliament-proceeding...
  - anaganisk 4y ago
    We literally select our caste in govt forms,I literally had to get a caste certificate to prove for my college admission.Im not sure you know what you are talking about. Caste based discrimination is illegal not caste, we have a huge problem due to reservation quotas because govt still segregates people based on caste and tries to uplift them, but in turn sometimes it misfires.
  - unmole 4y ago
    > The caste system was outlawed ages ago. It very much is illegal. What exactly do you think is outlawed?
- eNV25 4y ago
  "old generation" probably means generations of immigrants. 1.5th and 2nd generation immigrants are much different from native Indians, they are basically raised outside India and have non-Indian friends.
MisterBastahrd 4y ago
There's no such thing as "an older generation thing" when it comes to discrimination. The haves are innately aware and will fight to keep what they have versus the have-nots. We've got plenty of other examples all across Western society and culture, from Britain's royal family to right-wingers actively fighting against the teaching of history in the US.
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  > right-wingers actively fighting against the teaching of history in the US I don't think this is a fair characterisation. I have never heard of anyone wanting to stop this. If you mean CRT, that is something different, or at least the versions of it that are causing pushback are different.
  - AgentOrange1234 4y ago
    There’s a well publicized fight over AP Black History going on right now in Florida. More broadly, books like Lies my Teacher Told Me have pointed to the long history of numerous failings of our history curriculum.
    - robertlagrant 4y ago
      For sure - I think that is a tricky one, as I don't feel I can trust anyone's take on it. I do see some of the activism training vs genuine historical education as being extremely disadvantageous, but also of course that black history needs to be taught well as a significant part of American history.
      - roguecoder 4y ago
        I would argue that the existing state wasn't "genuine historical education": I made it all the way through high school without ever being taught the state I was educated in had outright banned Black residents in its constitution.
goku12 4y ago
One of the biggest ways in which caste discrimination is propagated is through denialism. That helps the quell the resistance against it. Caste discrimination is still alive among younger generation and in cities. Here we are - discussing caste in US cities - which makes no sense if it didn't exist in the above mentioned circles in a large way.
rurban 4y ago
Older generations from the 90ies were much more liberal than Indian folks nowadays. The Indian politics and culture turned heavily right-wing, as in the 70ies. Caste discrimination is not open, but still ongoing. Brahmans, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras (the higher castes) will of course deny it, but still discriminate against the Dalit or muslims. If in private or in the workplace. Indian movies became almost unwatchable lately. It's getting more and more extreme.
- ghltshubh 4y ago
  What does it has to do with Muslims now? Are you even aware of Indian history? This book will help you give some context though https://a.co/d/b55ZoJ9 https://a.co/d/b55ZoJ9
dilawar 4y ago
Its very much alive, though it has changed a lot. https://www.epw.in/journal/2012/13/special-articles/peculiar-tenacity-caste.html https://www.epw.in/journal/2012/13/special-articles/peculiar...

anaganisk 4y ago

Now way its an old generation thing? I've seen "gang wars" among young adults of different castes in reputed Indian universities, located in cities. I have first hand experience with people who chose friends based on caste. And caste is not illegal in India discrimination is, but politicians here are mostly caste mongerers and win elections.

shauryamanu 4y ago
reputed ? sure they're?
- anaganisk 4y ago
  I can give you the names, and they will feature in the top 50.
- unmole 4y ago
  I know of six universities where what the GP said is true and all six of them made it here: https://www.nirfindia.org/2022/UniversityRanking.html https://www.nirfindia.org/2022/UniversityRanking.html
philliphaydon 4y ago
> And caste is not illegal in India discrimination is The caste system was outlawed ages ago. It very much is illegal.
- rishav_sharan 4y ago
  How then do you have caste based matrimony sites?
- fmajid 4y ago
  But they have their own version of Affirmative Action, notably quotas for universities and government jobs, and a very common form of caste discrimination by upper-caste Indians in the US is to claim a lower-caste graduate from a prestigious university like IIT isn’t a genuine one because he was a “diversity admission”.
  - RestlessMind 4y ago
    IIT has a common entrance exam and admissions are offered solely on your performance in that exam. If you see someone getting in with a very low score compared to the rest of the class, they will be rightfully branded as "diversity admission". It is no wonder that 60% of dropouts at 7 IITs are from reserved categories: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/parliament-proceedings-60-of-dropouts-at-7-iits-from-reserved-categories/article35752730.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/parliament-proceeding...
- anaganisk 4y ago
  We literally select our caste in govt forms,I literally had to get a caste certificate to prove for my college admission.Im not sure you know what you are talking about. Caste based discrimination is illegal not caste, we have a huge problem due to reservation quotas because govt still segregates people based on caste and tries to uplift them, but in turn sometimes it misfires.
- unmole 4y ago
  > The caste system was outlawed ages ago. It very much is illegal. What exactly do you think is outlawed?
eNV25 4y ago
"old generation" probably means generations of immigrants. 1.5th and 2nd generation immigrants are much different from native Indians, they are basically raised outside India and have non-Indian friends.

MisterBastahrd 4y ago

There's no such thing as "an older generation thing" when it comes to discrimination. The haves are innately aware and will fight to keep what they have versus the have-nots. We've got plenty of other examples all across Western society and culture, from Britain's royal family to right-wingers actively fighting against the teaching of history in the US.

robertlagrant 4y ago
> right-wingers actively fighting against the teaching of history in the US I don't think this is a fair characterisation. I have never heard of anyone wanting to stop this. If you mean CRT, that is something different, or at least the versions of it that are causing pushback are different.
- AgentOrange1234 4y ago
  There’s a well publicized fight over AP Black History going on right now in Florida. More broadly, books like Lies my Teacher Told Me have pointed to the long history of numerous failings of our history curriculum.
  - robertlagrant 4y ago
    For sure - I think that is a tricky one, as I don't feel I can trust anyone's take on it. I do see some of the activism training vs genuine historical education as being extremely disadvantageous, but also of course that black history needs to be taught well as a significant part of American history.
    - roguecoder 4y ago
      I would argue that the existing state wasn't "genuine historical education": I made it all the way through high school without ever being taught the state I was educated in had outright banned Black residents in its constitution.

goku12 4y ago

One of the biggest ways in which caste discrimination is propagated is through denialism. That helps the quell the resistance against it. Caste discrimination is still alive among younger generation and in cities. Here we are - discussing caste in US cities - which makes no sense if it didn't exist in the above mentioned circles in a large way.

rurban 4y ago

Older generations from the 90ies were much more liberal than Indian folks nowadays. The Indian politics and culture turned heavily right-wing, as in the 70ies. Caste discrimination is not open, but still ongoing. Brahmans, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras (the higher castes) will of course deny it, but still discriminate against the Dalit or muslims. If in private or in the workplace. Indian movies became almost unwatchable lately. It's getting more and more extreme.

ghltshubh 4y ago
What does it has to do with Muslims now? Are you even aware of Indian history? This book will help you give some context though https://a.co/d/b55ZoJ9 https://a.co/d/b55ZoJ9

dilawar 4y ago

Its very much alive, though it has changed a lot. https://www.epw.in/journal/2012/13/special-articles/peculiar-tenacity-caste.html https://www.epw.in/journal/2012/13/special-articles/peculiar...