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> All of that, save the artillery strikes, is also true of the US in western Ukraine: presence of military personnel; significant influence on military strategy
by mopsi 4y ago
> All of that, save the artillery strikes, is also true of the US in western Ukraine: presence of military personnel; significant influence on military strategy; provided weapons, political, and economic support.
The US has no comparable presence of military personnel in Ukraine, its armed forces have not taken control of any region of Ukraine. Furthermore, the aid that 50+ countries provide is in official support of the internationally recognized government and not of a mix of thugs and Russian intelligence operatives who have violently stormed a government building.
> And your own source acknowledges that the violence began before the Russian presence:
Yes, and Russia "had provided weapons and other military equipment to separatists on a significant scale from the earliest days of the “DPR” and the “LPR”".
- leereeves 4y agoThe point is, these are Ukranians who asked for Russian help, both in 2014 and in 2022: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-allies-step-up-sanctions-pressure-russia-over-ukraine-2022-02-23/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-allies-step-up-sanct... What would the US do if tens of thousands of Americans asked for help after a coup in another country?
- mopsi 4y agoThe link you posted demonstrates how ridiculous that point is. By the time Russian operatives disguised as DNR and LNR leaders asked for "help", Russia had been amassing army on Ukraine's borders for months, not to mention that LNR and DNR themselves had been for many years under total Russian control, as ruled by ECHR. This was Russian military administration of occupied territories creating a pretext for wider invasion, nothing more.
- leereeves 4y agoThat link says Denis Pushilin (a Ukrainian) asked for help. It says nothing about "Russian operatives disguised as DNR and LNR leaders".
- mopsi 4y agoHe is employed by the Russian military administration to project an image as if the occupied territories were independent separatist areas. ECHR found that untrue. LNR and DNR remain under direct Russian control.