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What the law actually says is that it is illegal to kill another person unless you believe they are actively threatening your life or somebody else's life (i.e.

What the law actually says is that it is illegal to kill another person unless you believe they are actively threatening your life or somebody else's life (i.e., in self-defense). You are wrong if you think that it's the weapon that determines whether the shooting was justified or not. People are not shot by police for having weapons, being a fugitive, or being on drugs even if those things are illegal. They are shot for being an immediate danger to somebody's life. Ask yourself, what generally causes a person to act violent? A mentally healthy person controls their emotions and acts intelligently. Healthy people don't lash out at others like wild animals. It's mental illness and drugs that makes people do that. And guess what? It's easy to observe that the vast majority of people shot by police are addicts or mentally ill (i.e., criminals.) And you're telling me it's the police that are the ones who introduce violence into the equation?

defrost 4y ago
Yes - it's the US police and their training. Consider the UK with some ~ 70 million people, mad scotsmen on raging drunken benders (sorry, stereotype), no shortgae of drug addicts, plenty of mentally ill, etc. Per capita US police kill members of the US public at a rate 20x that of UK police killing UK members of the public. US police have little to no training wrt defusing situations, they are trained to always reach for a gun.
- JoeyBananas 4y ago
  It's not a matter of training, it's a matter of doctrine. American police training is a lot more gun-oriented than foreign police training because Americans own more guns. Also, the laws dictating when it is legal to use deadly force are different. You have to account for the differences in the freedom vs. safety trade-off.
  - defrost 4y ago
    It's entirely due to training and approach to use of force. Police in the US kill civilians at a rate of 20x that of police in the UK. It's due to a culture of violence and one arguably made worse since the 1970s when the US NRA became more of a marketing arm of US gun sellers and less of a gun club promoting responsible gun handling and safety. > the freedom vs. safety trade-off. < ROFLMAO > Never ceases to amaze hearing seppos spout that one.
    - JoeyBananas 4y ago
      > It's entirely due to training and approach to use of force. Yes, but the law is the reason why the training is what it is. The police don't make the law, so police shootings are not a policing problem. Policing = enforcement of the law. You can argue America should be a nanny state and the 2A shouldn't exist but you'll be laughed out of the room The NRA has very little to do with any of this. The NRA never aimed to fix drug problems or mental illness, it's a private organization of responsible gun owners

defrost 4y ago

Yes - it's the US police and their training. Consider the UK with some ~ 70 million people, mad scotsmen on raging drunken benders (sorry, stereotype), no shortgae of drug addicts, plenty of mentally ill, etc. Per capita US police kill members of the US public at a rate 20x that of UK police killing UK members of the public. US police have little to no training wrt defusing situations, they are trained to always reach for a gun.

JoeyBananas 4y ago
It's not a matter of training, it's a matter of doctrine. American police training is a lot more gun-oriented than foreign police training because Americans own more guns. Also, the laws dictating when it is legal to use deadly force are different. You have to account for the differences in the freedom vs. safety trade-off.
- defrost 4y ago
  It's entirely due to training and approach to use of force. Police in the US kill civilians at a rate of 20x that of police in the UK. It's due to a culture of violence and one arguably made worse since the 1970s when the US NRA became more of a marketing arm of US gun sellers and less of a gun club promoting responsible gun handling and safety. > the freedom vs. safety trade-off. < ROFLMAO > Never ceases to amaze hearing seppos spout that one.
  - JoeyBananas 4y ago
    > It's entirely due to training and approach to use of force. Yes, but the law is the reason why the training is what it is. The police don't make the law, so police shootings are not a policing problem. Policing = enforcement of the law. You can argue America should be a nanny state and the 2A shouldn't exist but you'll be laughed out of the room The NRA has very little to do with any of this. The NRA never aimed to fix drug problems or mental illness, it's a private organization of responsible gun owners