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MS Teams 2.0 – trying to fix the issues

31 points by Ocha 4y ago

xattt 4y ago
For the love of God, please give us a normal Win32 API app.
- genpfault 4y ago
  Better yet, protocol specs.
- dartharva 4y ago
  Heh, now that's a hopeful dream
- naikrovek 4y ago
  that'll work great on Mac and Linux and the web...
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Alternatively, they could just keep the Web version and be done with it.
- mdmglr 4y ago
  C#/.NET would work just fine as well. Surprising they don’t want to eat their own…
  - jiggawatts 4y ago
    Microsoft has poor employee retention, which in some groups is especially noticeable because they reinvent the wheel every 2-3 years. Right now everything is JavaScript. Shh! I’m talking! I said everything! To the point that getting a non-SPA code sample for Azure Identity is a serious research exercise. That Visual Studio will deploy a blank ASP.NET project that has mostly JavaScript in it. And so on…
wkat4242 4y ago
I don't have much hope for this. Their "own" edge WebView2 tech is powered by chromium, the same as what powers the old electron. And "based on react not JavaScript"... React is a framework in JavaScript. Neither are fundamental improvements. They're more branding than anything. None of these explanations make any sense. What would make sense is if their team stops prioritizing glossy new features and optimizes the core code. Just like the VS Code team has done from the very start. Perhaps this is what they are doing and they're trying to peddle their WebView in the process. If it's just those 2 changes they mention I'm sure the result will be underwhelming. As always with Teams so far.
- etempleton 4y ago
  More likely Teams was written quickly as a response to Slack and some poor decisions were made along the way. Performance and resource usage are my two biggest issues with Teams so this is a welcome update. I don’t think Teams is perfect, but it is useful for what it is and generally is good enough.
  - happymellon 4y ago
    Performance and resource usage is bad, but it is a far cry from being the biggest issues I have with Teams. Inability to handle formatting of messages is a big one. It will decide that my codeblock should actually be two, and it is impossible to merge them. Scrolling in opposite directions depending on the tab. Making up another SharePoint site with each group team chat so that we can ensure we silo our data and never find it again.
montroser 4y ago
Please just let me send code blocks in chat without messing up the line breaks... How do people deal with Teams' vastly inferior chat after coming from Slack or Mattermost or anything else remotely modern?
- testTED 4y ago
  Pastebins.
- CharlesW 4y ago
  > Please just let me send code blocks in chat without messing up the line breaks... Teams supports inline and multi-line code blocks using Markdown formatting. I can't try it ATM, but does that not work as it does in Slack?
  - thedougd 4y ago
    Teams code blocks using triple tick screw up indenting. To get a semi functional code block I have to click 3+ buttons in the text formatting screens. It’s a train wreck.
  - montroser 4y ago
    In a 1:1 chat, there's no support for multi-line code blocks. There _is_ support in team channels, but when you copy-paste on the receiving end, line breaks don't make it through into the paste buffer.
  - DasCorCor 4y ago
    It’s buggy as hell and non-intuitive
  - unscaled 4y ago
    Teams does not use proper markdown formatting. In both Teams and Slack you can open a code block with three apostrophes (```), but in Slack you can also use three apostrophes to close it. In Teams that doesn't work - the only way to close a block is to type in two consecutive line breaks. This means you cannot have empty lines in the middle of your code (at least not without workarounds).
gjsman-1000 4y ago
Ah Microsoft - the hypocritical company where they moralize to you every year at their conference that you should write modern apps (this year’s menu: WinUI 3 and MAUI), while their Teams, Office, and Visual Studio groups all refuse to use any of the frameworks made in the last decade.
- mdmglr 4y ago
  Is Visual Studio not WinUI? Or are you reffing to vs code?
  - gjsman-1000 4y ago
    Visual Studio can be used to make WinUI apps if you install the toolkit, but there is not a single WinUI interface within Visual Studio itself. VS Code is Electron, no WinUI there either.
dlahoda 4y ago
i have bought latest x86 surface pro week ago. installed many programs, most are oss. and teams. and then i got machine hot and noisy. i looked into task manager. all programs eat zero cpu with random spikes of few under 0.1 cpu. but teams was eating constantly 4 or 5. i did not talked teams at all never on this device. just deleted teams. i know that raising bug or complaining about teams into support is useless. i even found ms principal product owner of teams in linkedin to write the issue. so pc is of my wife, and she uses teams on android and ok with that. so did nothing. hope they fixed the situation. so when people on youtube say ipad better because battery life and noise. how much teams was root cause of harm to surface sales?
denysvitali 4y ago
https://teams.microsoft.com/v2 https://teams.microsoft.com/v2
hulitu 4y ago
> It's a complete rebuild from the ground up "There is no problem in Windows that a reboot cannot fix" "There is no problem in Windows that a complete reinstall cannot fix" Call me skeptic.
drittich 4y ago
Formatting is annoying in Teams but I've mostly learned to work around the issues. My number one annoyance, that doesn't seem to be mentioned that often, is that there are many places where you can't get a direct link to a message. I get a huge volume of activity in teams, and there are many things I need to bookmark for later action that would be too challenging to find again. Most of the time, I can't right click and save a link, although sometimes in the web interface it's enough to copy the url. Providing deep links to any message in teams is my number one feature request.

31 points by Ocha 4y ago

xattt 4y ago

For the love of God, please give us a normal Win32 API app.

genpfault 4y ago
Better yet, protocol specs.
dartharva 4y ago
Heh, now that's a hopeful dream
naikrovek 4y ago
that'll work great on Mac and Linux and the web...
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Alternatively, they could just keep the Web version and be done with it.
mdmglr 4y ago
C#/.NET would work just fine as well. Surprising they don’t want to eat their own…
- jiggawatts 4y ago
  Microsoft has poor employee retention, which in some groups is especially noticeable because they reinvent the wheel every 2-3 years. Right now everything is JavaScript. Shh! I’m talking! I said everything! To the point that getting a non-SPA code sample for Azure Identity is a serious research exercise. That Visual Studio will deploy a blank ASP.NET project that has mostly JavaScript in it. And so on…

wkat4242 4y ago

I don't have much hope for this. Their "own" edge WebView2 tech is powered by chromium, the same as what powers the old electron. And "based on react not JavaScript"... React is a framework in JavaScript. Neither are fundamental improvements. They're more branding than anything. None of these explanations make any sense. What would make sense is if their team stops prioritizing glossy new features and optimizes the core code. Just like the VS Code team has done from the very start. Perhaps this is what they are doing and they're trying to peddle their WebView in the process. If it's just those 2 changes they mention I'm sure the result will be underwhelming. As always with Teams so far.

etempleton 4y ago
More likely Teams was written quickly as a response to Slack and some poor decisions were made along the way. Performance and resource usage are my two biggest issues with Teams so this is a welcome update. I don’t think Teams is perfect, but it is useful for what it is and generally is good enough.
- happymellon 4y ago
  Performance and resource usage is bad, but it is a far cry from being the biggest issues I have with Teams. Inability to handle formatting of messages is a big one. It will decide that my codeblock should actually be two, and it is impossible to merge them. Scrolling in opposite directions depending on the tab. Making up another SharePoint site with each group team chat so that we can ensure we silo our data and never find it again.

montroser 4y ago

Please just let me send code blocks in chat without messing up the line breaks... How do people deal with Teams' vastly inferior chat after coming from Slack or Mattermost or anything else remotely modern?

testTED 4y ago
Pastebins.
CharlesW 4y ago
> Please just let me send code blocks in chat without messing up the line breaks... Teams supports inline and multi-line code blocks using Markdown formatting. I can't try it ATM, but does that not work as it does in Slack?
- thedougd 4y ago
  Teams code blocks using triple tick screw up indenting. To get a semi functional code block I have to click 3+ buttons in the text formatting screens. It’s a train wreck.
- montroser 4y ago
  In a 1:1 chat, there's no support for multi-line code blocks. There _is_ support in team channels, but when you copy-paste on the receiving end, line breaks don't make it through into the paste buffer.
- DasCorCor 4y ago
  It’s buggy as hell and non-intuitive
- unscaled 4y ago
  Teams does not use proper markdown formatting. In both Teams and Slack you can open a code block with three apostrophes (```), but in Slack you can also use three apostrophes to close it. In Teams that doesn't work - the only way to close a block is to type in two consecutive line breaks. This means you cannot have empty lines in the middle of your code (at least not without workarounds).

gjsman-1000 4y ago

Ah Microsoft - the hypocritical company where they moralize to you every year at their conference that you should write modern apps (this year’s menu: WinUI 3 and MAUI), while their Teams, Office, and Visual Studio groups all refuse to use any of the frameworks made in the last decade.

mdmglr 4y ago
Is Visual Studio not WinUI? Or are you reffing to vs code?
- gjsman-1000 4y ago
  Visual Studio can be used to make WinUI apps if you install the toolkit, but there is not a single WinUI interface within Visual Studio itself. VS Code is Electron, no WinUI there either.

dlahoda 4y ago

i have bought latest x86 surface pro week ago. installed many programs, most are oss. and teams. and then i got machine hot and noisy. i looked into task manager. all programs eat zero cpu with random spikes of few under 0.1 cpu. but teams was eating constantly 4 or 5. i did not talked teams at all never on this device. just deleted teams. i know that raising bug or complaining about teams into support is useless. i even found ms principal product owner of teams in linkedin to write the issue. so pc is of my wife, and she uses teams on android and ok with that. so did nothing. hope they fixed the situation. so when people on youtube say ipad better because battery life and noise. how much teams was root cause of harm to surface sales?

denysvitali 4y ago

https://teams.microsoft.com/v2 https://teams.microsoft.com/v2

hulitu 4y ago

> It's a complete rebuild from the ground up "There is no problem in Windows that a reboot cannot fix" "There is no problem in Windows that a complete reinstall cannot fix" Call me skeptic.

drittich 4y ago

Formatting is annoying in Teams but I've mostly learned to work around the issues. My number one annoyance, that doesn't seem to be mentioned that often, is that there are many places where you can't get a direct link to a message. I get a huge volume of activity in teams, and there are many things I need to bookmark for later action that would be too challenging to find again. Most of the time, I can't right click and save a link, although sometimes in the web interface it's enough to copy the url. Providing deep links to any message in teams is my number one feature request.