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> not to mention it’s ableist Recognizing the immense value of effective communication is ableist? Coding is the easy part. Deciding what to code or how to co

> not to mention it’s ableist Recognizing the immense value of effective communication is ableist? Coding is the easy part. Deciding what to code or how to code it with a team is the hard part and that requires effective communication, there's simply no way around it. That's what separates junior engineers from senior engineers who see the bigger picture.

lmm 4y ago
Assuming that what's perceived as "communication" is actually "effective" is begging the question.
- askafriend 4y ago
  Yes, sometimes not everyone's communication style works for every culture or group of people. That's just how it works. Humans are messy like that.
  - lmm 4y ago
    If we just shrug our shoulders about that then that opens the door to all kinds of discrimination. People generally find it easier to commuicate with people from the same culture, for example.
    - idiotsecant 4y ago
      At some point being able to convey what is in your brain to another human and use that to influence their actions is a fundamental human skill. If you're bad at it you'll be at a disadvantage, simple as that.
    - robbiep 4y ago
      you're right, we should actively work to remove the advantages that those elites that can communicate clearly and effectively have. There should be quotas for positions that are dominated by the best performing communicators, as determined by 360 reviews. Additionally, those identified as such should be forced to work remotely, on a 5 second delay and throttled bandwith connection.
      - MrPatan 4y ago
        Can't get around those pesky face to face interactions. Better to implant an equality-enforcing device under the skull to zap the brain every few seconds.
- idiotsecant 4y ago
  Effective communication is very easy to identify. Either it produces the required results (everyone understanding the problem and cooperating to produce and implement as close to an optimal solution as possible given resource constraints) or it doesn't.
  - lmm 4y ago
    > Either it produces the required results (everyone understanding the problem and cooperating to produce and implement as close to an optimal solution as possible given resource constraints) or it doesn't. And how can you tell? If a project fails, is that because people didn't have a shared understanding of the problem, or did they understand it fine and just weren't able to find a solution?

lmm 4y ago

Assuming that what's perceived as "communication" is actually "effective" is begging the question.

askafriend 4y ago
Yes, sometimes not everyone's communication style works for every culture or group of people. That's just how it works. Humans are messy like that.
- lmm 4y ago
  If we just shrug our shoulders about that then that opens the door to all kinds of discrimination. People generally find it easier to commuicate with people from the same culture, for example.
  - idiotsecant 4y ago
    At some point being able to convey what is in your brain to another human and use that to influence their actions is a fundamental human skill. If you're bad at it you'll be at a disadvantage, simple as that.
  - robbiep 4y ago
    you're right, we should actively work to remove the advantages that those elites that can communicate clearly and effectively have. There should be quotas for positions that are dominated by the best performing communicators, as determined by 360 reviews. Additionally, those identified as such should be forced to work remotely, on a 5 second delay and throttled bandwith connection.
    - MrPatan 4y ago
      Can't get around those pesky face to face interactions. Better to implant an equality-enforcing device under the skull to zap the brain every few seconds.
idiotsecant 4y ago
Effective communication is very easy to identify. Either it produces the required results (everyone understanding the problem and cooperating to produce and implement as close to an optimal solution as possible given resource constraints) or it doesn't.
- lmm 4y ago
  > Either it produces the required results (everyone understanding the problem and cooperating to produce and implement as close to an optimal solution as possible given resource constraints) or it doesn't. And how can you tell? If a project fails, is that because people didn't have a shared understanding of the problem, or did they understand it fine and just weren't able to find a solution?