Sure, but I generally think when you get into the semantic discussion, it’s useful to put my operating definition on the table, so that we can quickly get to e

Sure, but I generally think when you get into the semantic discussion, it’s useful to put my operating definition on the table, so that we can quickly get to either the semantic disagreement or the ethical disagreement (that I think knowing saying untrue things is lying, while others may think knowing saying untrue things isn’t lying)