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Not too familiar with this but does this mean that eventually Asahi Linux will be obsolete? Is Asahi a forked Linux kernel and the work will eventually be merge

by POiNTx 4y ago

Not too familiar with this but does this mean that eventually Asahi Linux will be obsolete? Is Asahi a forked Linux kernel and the work will eventually be merged right into the main Linux Kernel?

ccouzens 4y ago
Yes, check out the second entry in the FAQ https://asahilinux.org/about/ https://asahilinux.org/about/ Their work goes beyond the kernel. For example Mesa (the user space part of the Linux GPU stack), boot tooling and installation tooling. And of course the incredible amount of reverse engineering.
uncletaco 4y ago
That's the end goal.
- viraptor 4y ago
  And the original plan, but recently Hector is getting more and more annoyed with the process of upstreaming the patches. I really hope the situation improves so we don't get another PaX situation :( (different reasons of course, but similar result)
  - raybb 4y ago
    What is the PaX situation? I tried googling but didn't find it
    - joshuaissac 4y ago
      In short, PaX and grsecurity were security patches for the Linux kernel that failed to be upstreamed.
    - MobiusHorizons 4y ago
      results of my Googling: PaX seems to refer to the PaX team: https://pax.grsecurity.net/ https://pax.grsecurity.net/ There seems to have been drama related to some of their patches https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14633163 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14633163.
    - viraptor 4y ago
      There's a lot more nuance there, but my summary would be: pax team created grsecurity patches which are awesome, they come as a big bundles rather than separate patches for each part, and are a bit disruptive - you need to know why you want them / are they worth it. Upstream doesn't want huge bundles, pax doesn't want to invest time in splitting them up and fighting with upstreaming each one separately. There's some external effort in the last years to chip away the most important ones, (KSPP, Popov Kees) but it's slow. In the meantime pax provides grsecurity as consultancy. Again - I skipped lots of details.
rkangel 4y ago
As always, Linux is "only" the kernel. I don't know the details but I would guess that there are other bits needed, at the very least an installer so you'll still need Asahi Linux as a distro.

by POiNTx 4y ago

Not too familiar with this but does this mean that eventually Asahi Linux will be obsolete? Is Asahi a forked Linux kernel and the work will eventually be merged right into the main Linux Kernel?

ccouzens 4y ago

Yes, check out the second entry in the FAQ https://asahilinux.org/about/ https://asahilinux.org/about/ Their work goes beyond the kernel. For example Mesa (the user space part of the Linux GPU stack), boot tooling and installation tooling. And of course the incredible amount of reverse engineering.

uncletaco 4y ago

That's the end goal.

viraptor 4y ago
And the original plan, but recently Hector is getting more and more annoyed with the process of upstreaming the patches. I really hope the situation improves so we don't get another PaX situation :( (different reasons of course, but similar result)
- raybb 4y ago
  What is the PaX situation? I tried googling but didn't find it
  - joshuaissac 4y ago
    In short, PaX and grsecurity were security patches for the Linux kernel that failed to be upstreamed.
  - MobiusHorizons 4y ago
    results of my Googling: PaX seems to refer to the PaX team: https://pax.grsecurity.net/ https://pax.grsecurity.net/ There seems to have been drama related to some of their patches https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14633163 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14633163.
  - viraptor 4y ago
    There's a lot more nuance there, but my summary would be: pax team created grsecurity patches which are awesome, they come as a big bundles rather than separate patches for each part, and are a bit disruptive - you need to know why you want them / are they worth it. Upstream doesn't want huge bundles, pax doesn't want to invest time in splitting them up and fighting with upstreaming each one separately. There's some external effort in the last years to chip away the most important ones, (KSPP, Popov Kees) but it's slow. In the meantime pax provides grsecurity as consultancy. Again - I skipped lots of details.

rkangel 4y ago

As always, Linux is "only" the kernel. I don't know the details but I would guess that there are other bits needed, at the very least an installer so you'll still need Asahi Linux as a distro.