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That's some great marketing. I never applied to work there, I just assumed "now that's how you run a company!"

by NetOpWibby 4y ago

robertlagrant 4y ago
It didn't really make sense to me. How did you imagine any decisions working?
- whatshisface 4y ago
  For technical stuff it works okay, because people can make decisions just by doing whatever it is, or by talking to the team and agreeing on something. It's a lot harder to get people to do that for bonuses and pay.
  - robertlagrant 4y ago
    Right, or "should we spend millions on Steam Deck which will pay off in 10 years" vs "should we all just get a big pay rise now with the money?" The fact that even Valve, which is one of the companies closest to the idea of having endless free money, and thus the most forgiving to a structure like that, didn't make it work, must surely at least give us pause for thought!
    - whatshisface 4y ago
      At Valve the corporate wing made (and still makes) those decisions, trying to have ten people agree on who deserves to be paid what and whether it should be invested instead hasn't been tried in any company I know of. In contrast having managers who are collectively answerable to those ten employees through the share ownership structure has been tried, and it works out okay.
      - robertlagrant 4y ago
        > having managers who are collectively answerable to those ten employees through the share ownership structure has been tried How does that work? As in the employees are owners but the managers aren't?
        whatshisface 4y ago
        In this example we're talking about 11 more or less equal shareholders, one of whom is a manager.
        robertlagrant 4y ago
        Sorry. I genuinely don't understand. Is it that the ten people report to the manager, but the manager also reports to the ten people? What happens if half of the ten think the manager is good and the other half think he's bad?
        zx8080 4y ago
        But are those 10 professionally qualified to check the manager's work quality during those 10 years? (Or do they buy some audit service from another division?)
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That's some great marketing. I never applied to work there, I just assumed "now that's how you run a company!"

robertlagrant 4y ago

It didn't really make sense to me. How did you imagine any decisions working?

whatshisface 4y ago
For technical stuff it works okay, because people can make decisions just by doing whatever it is, or by talking to the team and agreeing on something. It's a lot harder to get people to do that for bonuses and pay.
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  Right, or "should we spend millions on Steam Deck which will pay off in 10 years" vs "should we all just get a big pay rise now with the money?" The fact that even Valve, which is one of the companies closest to the idea of having endless free money, and thus the most forgiving to a structure like that, didn't make it work, must surely at least give us pause for thought!
  - whatshisface 4y ago
    At Valve the corporate wing made (and still makes) those decisions, trying to have ten people agree on who deserves to be paid what and whether it should be invested instead hasn't been tried in any company I know of. In contrast having managers who are collectively answerable to those ten employees through the share ownership structure has been tried, and it works out okay.
    - robertlagrant 4y ago
      > having managers who are collectively answerable to those ten employees through the share ownership structure has been tried How does that work? As in the employees are owners but the managers aren't?
      - whatshisface 4y ago
        In this example we're talking about 11 more or less equal shareholders, one of whom is a manager.
        robertlagrant 4y ago
        Sorry. I genuinely don't understand. Is it that the ten people report to the manager, but the manager also reports to the ten people? What happens if half of the ten think the manager is good and the other half think he's bad?
      - zx8080 4y ago
        But are those 10 professionally qualified to check the manager's work quality during those 10 years? (Or do they buy some audit service from another division?)
        deleted 4y ago
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