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Almost all occurred while the deceased was committing a felony. The handful of accidents that occur notwithstanding, criminal activity is the #1 precursor to be

Almost all occurred while the deceased was committing a felony. The handful of accidents that occur notwithstanding, criminal activity is the #1 precursor to being killed by police. It is conceivable that of the 1232, better than 1225 would be alive had they not been committing some form, often a violent variety, of felony. Of little consolation, nearly all of the 1232, if alive, would probably still be in prison. So again, this is a reflection on criminal "culture" and not on law enforcement, which is reactive. Unlike crime, which is a proactive violation on the rule of law. If people stopped committing violent crime, that number would drop significantly.

ttfkam 4y ago
The assertion regarding felonies came from police without much (if any) scrutiny. According to the police report, George Floyd died because of a drug overdose, not because his airway was cut off by a knee to the neck for almost ten minutes. Had there been no video, I wager most white folks would have believed the police report over the testimony of eyewitnesses, assuming it even went to court. If you have HBO, I highly recommend watching the series "We Own This City", which is about the Baltimore Police Department's Gun Trace Task Force. https://www.hbo.com/we-own-this-city https://www.hbo.com/we-own-this-city Is this indicative of all cops in all departments? Of course not. But the falsification of the police report is quite common and even if discovered almost never results in disciplinary action despite itself being a felony. And EVEN IF they were all likely guilty of felonies, that doesn't automatically mean that lethal force is warranted. And EVEN IF lethal force is warranted, that doesn't mean aid should not be rendered to try to save their life. How often have you seen video where the suspect is already on the ground and cuffed behind their back when an officer knees the subject repeatedly in the side or strikes them on the head? When multiple officers do so? Yes, crime is an issue. That should include excessive force on an already subdued subject. That's where qualified immunity comes in. In a sane world, once the person is on the ground, immobile, and in cuffs, the blows should have already ended.
- PM_me_your_math 4y ago
  "George Floyd died because of a drug overdose not because his airway was cut off by a knee to the neck for almost ten minutes." The M.E. found 4x the lethal limit of fentanyl in his blood, and he had a habit of swallowing his stash whenever he made contact with police. Have you ever taken EMT, CPR or life-saving class? One concept learned was ABC as Airway - Breathing - Circulation If your airway is cut off, you can't breath. And if you can't breathe, you can't draw or expel, rather, move air. This is why there is an international sign for choking. If you can't move air, you can't make your vocal cords vibrate. So how can you say, "I can't breath" and yell at the top of your lungs if your airway is cut off? That simply doesn't compute for anyone who has medical training. It is an insult to intelligence. Anybody who has been through any medical training at all knows that an obstructed airway makes little to no sound, let along screaming on top of your lungs saying "I can't breath." Also, your windpipe is not on the back of your neck so a knee there cannot block it off; of course, if you're making sounds, your windpipe isn't cut off or kinked. What's more likely is that Floyd was experiencing shortness of breath as his pulmonary system was being depressed and in collapse by the 4x lethal dose he ingested. That's not to say police didn't act inappropriately. The overdose was obvious to me immediately and they should have taken lifesaving measures, but I have watched too many people overdose not to see through the bullshit.
  - ttfkam 4y ago
    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4186 https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4186 https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-george-floyd-overdose-death/fact-check-no-evidence-drug-overdose-was-main-cause-of-death-for-george-floyd-in-2020-idUSL1N3241XJ https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-george-floyd-overd... And we'll apparently just skip right over the part where he was cuffed and already in the police cruiser when they hauled him out and put a knee on his neck? "Don't believe your lying eyes."

ttfkam 4y ago

The assertion regarding felonies came from police without much (if any) scrutiny. According to the police report, George Floyd died because of a drug overdose, not because his airway was cut off by a knee to the neck for almost ten minutes. Had there been no video, I wager most white folks would have believed the police report over the testimony of eyewitnesses, assuming it even went to court. If you have HBO, I highly recommend watching the series "We Own This City", which is about the Baltimore Police Department's Gun Trace Task Force. https://www.hbo.com/we-own-this-city https://www.hbo.com/we-own-this-city Is this indicative of all cops in all departments? Of course not. But the falsification of the police report is quite common and even if discovered almost never results in disciplinary action despite itself being a felony. And EVEN IF they were all likely guilty of felonies, that doesn't automatically mean that lethal force is warranted. And EVEN IF lethal force is warranted, that doesn't mean aid should not be rendered to try to save their life. How often have you seen video where the suspect is already on the ground and cuffed behind their back when an officer knees the subject repeatedly in the side or strikes them on the head? When multiple officers do so? Yes, crime is an issue. That should include excessive force on an already subdued subject. That's where qualified immunity comes in. In a sane world, once the person is on the ground, immobile, and in cuffs, the blows should have already ended.

PM_me_your_math 4y ago
"George Floyd died because of a drug overdose not because his airway was cut off by a knee to the neck for almost ten minutes." The M.E. found 4x the lethal limit of fentanyl in his blood, and he had a habit of swallowing his stash whenever he made contact with police. Have you ever taken EMT, CPR or life-saving class? One concept learned was ABC as Airway - Breathing - Circulation If your airway is cut off, you can't breath. And if you can't breathe, you can't draw or expel, rather, move air. This is why there is an international sign for choking. If you can't move air, you can't make your vocal cords vibrate. So how can you say, "I can't breath" and yell at the top of your lungs if your airway is cut off? That simply doesn't compute for anyone who has medical training. It is an insult to intelligence. Anybody who has been through any medical training at all knows that an obstructed airway makes little to no sound, let along screaming on top of your lungs saying "I can't breath." Also, your windpipe is not on the back of your neck so a knee there cannot block it off; of course, if you're making sounds, your windpipe isn't cut off or kinked. What's more likely is that Floyd was experiencing shortness of breath as his pulmonary system was being depressed and in collapse by the 4x lethal dose he ingested. That's not to say police didn't act inappropriately. The overdose was obvious to me immediately and they should have taken lifesaving measures, but I have watched too many people overdose not to see through the bullshit.
- ttfkam 4y ago
  https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4186 https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4186 https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-george-floyd-overdose-death/fact-check-no-evidence-drug-overdose-was-main-cause-of-death-for-george-floyd-in-2020-idUSL1N3241XJ https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-george-floyd-overd... And we'll apparently just skip right over the part where he was cuffed and already in the police cruiser when they hauled him out and put a knee on his neck? "Don't believe your lying eyes."