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It will be a hard sell since it or similar tech has already been long embraced commercially. A bit like forcing students to use an abacus while calculators are

It will be a hard sell since it or similar tech has already been long embraced commercially. A bit like forcing students to use an abacus while calculators are around. The student should still be responsible for what they submit and all of its errors of course. But what should really change is our methods of assessing students. The University model for undergrads has already been long broken in need of fixing. I don't think this will significantly impact grad students yet.

dcow 4y ago
> A bit like forcing students to use an abacus while calculators are around. I said allow students to use ChatGPT. Just make it clear that pasting answers from it verbatim, just like doing so from SO, is called plagiarism and does not benefit the academic community or themselves. There will always be cheats. Agree about shifting evaluation methods.
- corbulo 4y ago
  What about when it gives the 'best' word choice? Should a student change it arbitrarily?
  - dr_dshiv 4y ago
    Just put it into Quillbot.
  - dcow 4y ago
    The same is true for plagiarism. What you do in that case is quote and cite the source.
gattilorenz 4y ago
> A bit like forcing students to use an abacus while calculators are around. But... we do that already. We ask students not to use calculators, or not to use scientific calculators, during exercises, exams, etc. And it's not because we want to impose an extra load on them, but because we think that by not using calculators you learn to deal with numbers, you build a strong foundation for thinking about math, quantities, etc. But since we're talking about essays and coding assignments that are graded, one of the objection is that they should not be graded, because the goal is to use them for learning. Sure, at the university, the ideal scenario is that students are there to learn and will do assignments even when they are not graded. That happens, but it's for a minority of them, because (understandably) the university is also a time for parties, relationships, etc, and students are young... In practice, many assignments are graded mostly to make sure the students do them, learn from them, and pass the course (maybe a patronizing approach, but in the end, if only 10% of the students pass, the teacher won't have an easy life with his/her superiors - but that's another story).
dinkumthinkum 4y ago
Learning is different from commercial work. Ironically, it takes learning yo realize that.

dcow 4y ago

> A bit like forcing students to use an abacus while calculators are around. I said allow students to use ChatGPT. Just make it clear that pasting answers from it verbatim, just like doing so from SO, is called plagiarism and does not benefit the academic community or themselves. There will always be cheats. Agree about shifting evaluation methods.

corbulo 4y ago
What about when it gives the 'best' word choice? Should a student change it arbitrarily?
- dr_dshiv 4y ago
  Just put it into Quillbot.
- dcow 4y ago
  The same is true for plagiarism. What you do in that case is quote and cite the source.

gattilorenz 4y ago

> A bit like forcing students to use an abacus while calculators are around. But... we do that already. We ask students not to use calculators, or not to use scientific calculators, during exercises, exams, etc. And it's not because we want to impose an extra load on them, but because we think that by not using calculators you learn to deal with numbers, you build a strong foundation for thinking about math, quantities, etc. But since we're talking about essays and coding assignments that are graded, one of the objection is that they should not be graded, because the goal is to use them for learning. Sure, at the university, the ideal scenario is that students are there to learn and will do assignments even when they are not graded. That happens, but it's for a minority of them, because (understandably) the university is also a time for parties, relationships, etc, and students are young... In practice, many assignments are graded mostly to make sure the students do them, learn from them, and pass the course (maybe a patronizing approach, but in the end, if only 10% of the students pass, the teacher won't have an easy life with his/her superiors - but that's another story).

dinkumthinkum 4y ago

Learning is different from commercial work. Ironically, it takes learning yo realize that.