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Another thing to keep in mind is that (unlike stackoverflow, wolframalpha and such) this tool is going to evolve dramatically over mere months. I'm not sure un

Another thing to keep in mind is that (unlike stackoverflow, wolframalpha and such) this tool is going to evolve dramatically over mere months. I'm not sure universities are structured to deal with such a rapid rate of change.

PostOnce 4y ago
proctored in-person exams, no electronics allowed exams now count for 100% of your grade these aren't insurmountably difficult problems for universities to solve
- aaplok 4y ago
  That's assuming they want to solve it. A lot of administrators live in lalaland because it suits them to. It is in the interest of society to fail cheaters and frauds before they graduate, but it costs the universities money to do it properly. So they will only address the problem if it comes to public attention. That's a trend that we've seen over and over, for example with the corruption over admission to Ivy league universities. In fact chatGPT doesn't really change the landscape that much. All it does is democratising contract cheating, on which most universities only apply band aids. It might end up being a good thing, but only if it does attract public attention to the issue.
  - visarga 4y ago
    > In fact chatGPT doesn't really change the landscape that much. All it does is democratising contract cheating But generative AI will remain a workhorse even after graduation.
IHLayman 4y ago
IRL universities will probably develop a protocol to remove access to helper tools for this sort of thing, maybe metal detectors at the door and specially tailored computers if needed for quizzes. Online universities OTOH are probably going to feel the bite of this the hardest. The CKA exam I took a while back had draconian measures to try to prevent me from cheating, such as taking the test with a webcam on me the whole time, with tools in the browser to limit where I surfed, in a room that has NO PICTURES on the walls. The tech to provide answers is moving faster than the tech to secure a remote room from such outside answers. And if in-person proctoring is eventually required, I would wager that will be a death-knell for online universities, who will have a hard time obtaining that physical space on a regular basis while staying marginally profitable.
- ticviking 4y ago
  Or remote proctoring centers will show up as a business opportunity, and the cost of this will be passed on to students, who will pay it with financial aid.
marginalia_nu 4y ago
> This tool is going to evolve dramatically over mere months. Why do you say this with certainty?
- brucethemoose2 4y ago
  Just assuming the current pace of advancement will continue. Good text and image synthesis were basically impossible 2 years ago, and every time I check up on Github some huge new innovation has come out.
  - marginalia_nu 4y ago
    Is there really a basis for such an assumption? Don't returns tend to diminish with effort, rather than increase?
    - brucethemoose2 4y ago
      But interest and investment is also increasing exponentially. I've never really seen anything like this before in AI land, even when GANs and such were doing amazing things.
      - marginalia_nu 4y ago
        We have seen this level of rapid development and massive hype in AI before. Several times, in fact. Check it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter
    - squeaky-clean 4y ago
      Technology tends to grow with a sigmoid curve. Extremely fast growth at the start, and then it slows down and eventually plateaus and new technology repeats the cycle. The only question is where on the curve are we for LLMs and AI in general?
      - marginalia_nu 4y ago

PostOnce 4y ago

proctored in-person exams, no electronics allowed exams now count for 100% of your grade these aren't insurmountably difficult problems for universities to solve

aaplok 4y ago
That's assuming they want to solve it. A lot of administrators live in lalaland because it suits them to. It is in the interest of society to fail cheaters and frauds before they graduate, but it costs the universities money to do it properly. So they will only address the problem if it comes to public attention. That's a trend that we've seen over and over, for example with the corruption over admission to Ivy league universities. In fact chatGPT doesn't really change the landscape that much. All it does is democratising contract cheating, on which most universities only apply band aids. It might end up being a good thing, but only if it does attract public attention to the issue.
- visarga 4y ago
  > In fact chatGPT doesn't really change the landscape that much. All it does is democratising contract cheating But generative AI will remain a workhorse even after graduation.

IHLayman 4y ago

IRL universities will probably develop a protocol to remove access to helper tools for this sort of thing, maybe metal detectors at the door and specially tailored computers if needed for quizzes. Online universities OTOH are probably going to feel the bite of this the hardest. The CKA exam I took a while back had draconian measures to try to prevent me from cheating, such as taking the test with a webcam on me the whole time, with tools in the browser to limit where I surfed, in a room that has NO PICTURES on the walls. The tech to provide answers is moving faster than the tech to secure a remote room from such outside answers. And if in-person proctoring is eventually required, I would wager that will be a death-knell for online universities, who will have a hard time obtaining that physical space on a regular basis while staying marginally profitable.

ticviking 4y ago
Or remote proctoring centers will show up as a business opportunity, and the cost of this will be passed on to students, who will pay it with financial aid.

marginalia_nu 4y ago

> This tool is going to evolve dramatically over mere months. Why do you say this with certainty?

brucethemoose2 4y ago
Just assuming the current pace of advancement will continue. Good text and image synthesis were basically impossible 2 years ago, and every time I check up on Github some huge new innovation has come out.
- marginalia_nu 4y ago
  Is there really a basis for such an assumption? Don't returns tend to diminish with effort, rather than increase?
  - brucethemoose2 4y ago
    But interest and investment is also increasing exponentially. I've never really seen anything like this before in AI land, even when GANs and such were doing amazing things.
    - marginalia_nu 4y ago
      We have seen this level of rapid development and massive hype in AI before. Several times, in fact. Check it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter
  - squeaky-clean 4y ago
    Technology tends to grow with a sigmoid curve. Extremely fast growth at the start, and then it slows down and eventually plateaus and new technology repeats the cycle. The only question is where on the curve are we for LLMs and AI in general?
    - marginalia_nu 4y ago