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We need to turn against illegal immigration though, it's critical.

Georgelemental 4y ago
If Congress passed, and the President signed, a law declaring all immigration legal, would you support that? It would "end illegal immigration" after all
- notch898a 4y ago
  I'm pretty sure overstaying your visa isn't even a crime.
  - ianai 4y ago
    Doesn’t matter how it’s treated. People get lured here, have their visas taken from them (sometimes to “pay debt”), and now they’re slaves who will be treated as illegal immigrants and arrested if they go to the police. Problem entirely of our own making.
    - notch898a 4y ago
      If the police are breaking the law then that's another issues. The TVPA gives visas to human trafficking victims and VAWA gives you residency for saying the magic words that your lover/pimp/whatever has abused you.
      - cantSpellSober 4y ago
        Shame Republicans didn't pass comprehensive immigration reform when they had control of both houses under the former administration eh? The president promised a "one-time payment" [1] from Mexico to pay for a border wall believe it or not! https://web.archive.org/web/20161105151917/https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20161105151917/https://assets.do...
        steponlego 4y ago
        SVT
        cantSpellSober 4y ago
        wut
    - steponlego 4y ago
      This sounds like an EXTREME corner / edge case. Not typical.
      - cantSpellSober 4y ago
        Nope, it's called human trafficking. Strange you've never heard of it. > This report estimates that, at any given time in 2021, approximately 27.6 million people were in forced labor https://www.state.gov/humantrafficking-about-human-trafficking/ https://www.state.gov/humantrafficking-about-human-trafficki...
- colpabar 4y ago
  Sure, just like how we can end racial disparities in gifted/honors academic programs by getting rid of the programs themselves, right? Reframe the issue and it just disappears!
- steponlego 4y ago
  Absolutely not. Don't be silly. We need to be highly selective.

If Congress passed, and the President signed, a law declaring all immigration legal, would you support that? It would "end illegal immigration" after all

notch898a 4y ago
I'm pretty sure overstaying your visa isn't even a crime.
- ianai 4y ago
  Doesn’t matter how it’s treated. People get lured here, have their visas taken from them (sometimes to “pay debt”), and now they’re slaves who will be treated as illegal immigrants and arrested if they go to the police. Problem entirely of our own making.
  - notch898a 4y ago
    If the police are breaking the law then that's another issues. The TVPA gives visas to human trafficking victims and VAWA gives you residency for saying the magic words that your lover/pimp/whatever has abused you.
    - cantSpellSober 4y ago
      Shame Republicans didn't pass comprehensive immigration reform when they had control of both houses under the former administration eh? The president promised a "one-time payment" [1] from Mexico to pay for a border wall believe it or not! https://web.archive.org/web/20161105151917/https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20161105151917/https://assets.do...
      - steponlego 4y ago
        SVT
        cantSpellSober 4y ago
        wut
  - steponlego 4y ago
    This sounds like an EXTREME corner / edge case. Not typical.
    - cantSpellSober 4y ago
      Nope, it's called human trafficking. Strange you've never heard of it. > This report estimates that, at any given time in 2021, approximately 27.6 million people were in forced labor https://www.state.gov/humantrafficking-about-human-trafficking/ https://www.state.gov/humantrafficking-about-human-trafficki...
colpabar 4y ago
Sure, just like how we can end racial disparities in gifted/honors academic programs by getting rid of the programs themselves, right? Reframe the issue and it just disappears!
steponlego 4y ago
Absolutely not. Don't be silly. We need to be highly selective.