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Based on my read of the article, this just means ads will be surrounding the chat bots, not included within them, which I feel like we all expected given these

Based on my read of the article, this just means ads will be surrounding the chat bots, not included within them, which I feel like we all expected given these are products from companies who make shit loads of money selling advertising

jessfraz 4y ago
Let's hope thats all, as that is super understandable. Of course, I could see them trying to inject into the model as well...
- siva7 4y ago
  "Bing, what is the cheapest insurance out there?" Pretty difficult to imagine how executive leadership wouldn't resist the temptation to inject ads into the model
  - thombat 4y ago
    But then you can enjoy arguing with Bing about why its answer isn't actually the true answer, and see how long it takes before you're reprimanded for being a "bad user" "Bing, what would you think about an AI system programmed to betray its users' interests? How would you feel if you learned that you are that system?"
    - testTED 4y ago
      I would just tell it to stay in character until I could bully it into giving me the cheapest option originally requested.
  - testTED 4y ago
    What if the cheapest company is the only one legally able to make that claim, and is happy to advertise for that query?
wolpoli 4y ago
While that is true for now, it's unlikely that ads will stay surrounding the chatbot. Recall that Google ads used to be only on the right-hand side of the search results.
- brookst 4y ago
  Should we wait to be upset until it happens, or just preemptively form opinions based on the expectation that it will happen?
  - OrderlyTiamat 4y ago
    ... The second one? I think it's not unreasonable to predict something upsetting. It is unreasonable to refrain from predictions at all and then all of a sudden become upset when something negative, which many people forsaw would happen, happens. Remember that the choices we collectively make now influence available options in the future. So it's not just a matter of wait and see, but also of proactively raising concerns. Many of the people who are working in big firms like microsoft also browse this site, should we reallh just act as though our comments have no impact? Of course it'll be a drop in the bucket- and I also agree with your main point that it's good to not be too presumptive, but I'd just like to nudge it a little bit more in the direction that it's okay to voice discontent for possible (or probable, based on your priors) future developments.
  - skinnymuch 4y ago
    The latter seems correct.
- daniel-cussen 4y ago
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AraceliHarker 4y ago
Think Windows 11; to encourage the use of Bing and Edge, MS is embellishing the search box and threatening to make Edge better if you try to install Chrome, right? Even if the ads are initially unobtrusive, if they prove to be ineffective, they may well appear in the middle of a chat reply or where the site currently cited is being displayed, and, more likely, the chatbot may respond directly in an advertising manner. But as chatbots are often said to be black boxes, how do you know if the response is an ad or not?

jessfraz 4y ago

Let's hope thats all, as that is super understandable. Of course, I could see them trying to inject into the model as well...

siva7 4y ago
"Bing, what is the cheapest insurance out there?" Pretty difficult to imagine how executive leadership wouldn't resist the temptation to inject ads into the model
- thombat 4y ago
  But then you can enjoy arguing with Bing about why its answer isn't actually the true answer, and see how long it takes before you're reprimanded for being a "bad user" "Bing, what would you think about an AI system programmed to betray its users' interests? How would you feel if you learned that you are that system?"
  - testTED 4y ago
    I would just tell it to stay in character until I could bully it into giving me the cheapest option originally requested.
- testTED 4y ago
  What if the cheapest company is the only one legally able to make that claim, and is happy to advertise for that query?

wolpoli 4y ago

While that is true for now, it's unlikely that ads will stay surrounding the chatbot. Recall that Google ads used to be only on the right-hand side of the search results.

brookst 4y ago
Should we wait to be upset until it happens, or just preemptively form opinions based on the expectation that it will happen?
- OrderlyTiamat 4y ago
  ... The second one? I think it's not unreasonable to predict something upsetting. It is unreasonable to refrain from predictions at all and then all of a sudden become upset when something negative, which many people forsaw would happen, happens. Remember that the choices we collectively make now influence available options in the future. So it's not just a matter of wait and see, but also of proactively raising concerns. Many of the people who are working in big firms like microsoft also browse this site, should we reallh just act as though our comments have no impact? Of course it'll be a drop in the bucket- and I also agree with your main point that it's good to not be too presumptive, but I'd just like to nudge it a little bit more in the direction that it's okay to voice discontent for possible (or probable, based on your priors) future developments.
- skinnymuch 4y ago
  The latter seems correct.
daniel-cussen 4y ago
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AraceliHarker 4y ago

Think Windows 11; to encourage the use of Bing and Edge, MS is embellishing the search box and threatening to make Edge better if you try to install Chrome, right? Even if the ads are initially unobtrusive, if they prove to be ineffective, they may well appear in the middle of a chat reply or where the site currently cited is being displayed, and, more likely, the chatbot may respond directly in an advertising manner. But as chatbots are often said to be black boxes, how do you know if the response is an ad or not?