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The U.S. cannot afford to turn against immigration

52 points by jseliger 4y ago

sys32768 4y ago
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- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  You must have learned it elsewhere today then, because it is addressed briefly in the OP and more thoroughly in other articles written by Noah Smith.
  - sys32768 4y ago
    So it's China, not Chinese immigrants who spy and steal? He doesn't address it at all in this article. He says of the immigrants: >But that’s absolutely not a reason to treat Chinese immigrants as invaders or spies. In fact, quite the reverse — the fact that Chinese citizens would rather live and work in America than in the country of their birth is a powerful endorsement of our system and an indictment of China’s system.
    - mistrial9 4y ago
      This is lost on a lot of Americans. Many older, recent immigrants from China on the US West coast are not fans of the PRC government, and enjoy US home ownership and financial independence here, despite language challenges. It is raw prejudice to judge people and their intentions based on language and skin color.
      - notch898a 4y ago
        I think you're absolutely right but I can understand how some people might get that impression from some propaganda I've seen. I used to live in Chicago and right smack in the middle of Chinatown there was an absolutely massive billboard supporting the chinese communist party. Most everything else in this part of the city has been graffiti'd so it left quite an impression that not only was the billboard there but it was taken care of to the point any graffiti was not left standing. It's one of those things where the jaw just hits the floor to look at it on US soil.
        cantSpellSober 4y ago
        So, an anecdote about one thing you saw once in one city (when?). Thanks for agreeing that "it is raw prejudice to judge people and their intentions based on language and skin color."
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        kevinmchugh 4y ago
        When was this? I drive through (Chicago) Chinatown a few times a month and am curious if I've never noticed it or can't read it. I see Falun Gong protestors out many weekends and Shen Yun had billboards and ads all over
        notch898a 4y ago
        2010s. I believe it was on Cermak several blocks west of the L. IDK if still there or not.
        cantSpellSober 4y ago
        Do you have any evidence of the one billboard you saw a decade ago, or this is just purely anecdotal? (I think you confused it with Shen Yun)
      - FrontierPsych 4y ago
        all it takes is one person from another country to gain access and transfer knowledge to another country.
        tptacek 4y ago
        That's the logic that led to Korematsu.
        FrontierPsych 4y ago
        I'm not sure what you are saying. It sounds like you are equating what I am saying to creating concentration camps for chinese. Which would be bizarre logic on your end.
        tptacek 4y ago
        I'm not equating anything. I am simply saying that the logic you're employing was also employed in Korematsu.
- cantSpellSober 4y ago
  This is the most nuanced take you can muster? Try reading more than the headline.
nhchris 4y ago
The US cannot turn against immigration, period. "Afford" doesn't enter into it. The Latino voting bloc, growing every day, votes against immigration reduction (or even enforcement, via sanctuary cities) out of ethnic solidarity. Indians likewise lobby for more immigration from India. That's no surprise - while only 15% of Whites see their race as very or extremely important to their identity, that number is 56% for Asians, 59% for Hispanics, and 74% for Blacks [1]. The simple reality is Whites will become a minority [2] in what was an 84% White country as recently as 1970 [3]. Will they be treated with gratitude for sharing their country, and so can afford to act colorblind, forsaking racial solidarity? Is gratitude what they're being shown now? Or will that leave them as individualists in a country dominated by inter-group competition, as current polls suggest? [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/04/09/race-in-america-2019/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/04/09/race-in... [2] It’s official: Minority babies are the majority among the nation’s infants, but only just - https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/23/its-official-minority-babies-are-the-majority-among-the-nations-infants-but-only-just/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/23/its-officia... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_d...
- Der_Einzige 4y ago
  Latino immigrants increased support for trump in 2020 vs 2016. Latinos are dropping catholicism and embracing evangelical protestantism (I've witnessed this with Latinos in my own life). There is a strong right wing shift happening right now among Latinos including first gen immigrants. Don't expect large amounts of immigrant solidarity from Latinos going forward. I think trump got slightly upwards of 40% of the Latino vote...
- digianarchist 4y ago
  America would already be a white minority nation had it not been for the racial bias towards Whites of previous immigration policies. I also think you can’t group Latinos as a voting bloc that swings one way on party or policy. Sure Latinos in Nevada lean blue and are more liberal but in Florida they are conservative and are voting Republican. Overall though I disagree with the framing. Why is a white minority a bad thing? Canada’s response to such demographic shifts is much more measured. We’re building a country together.
mixmastamyk 4y ago
A major foundational idea of this piece seems to be that population leveling and/or decline is a bad thing. But, I'm not sure it really is. Where does this idea come from? I know that some allowances need to be planned for regarding the economy, but it is obvious that indefinite/infinite population growth is not desirable nor tenable.
- mistrial9 4y ago
  because not everyone is affected the same way. Some populations have no trouble making as many babies as can be fed, to this day. Other populations are living the "Idiocracy" parody in real life.. The plants in the garden compete, and you bet fauna does, too. Reproductive failure due to social and psychological pressures is not "better" it is illness.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  There are certain social structures[1] which were created or evolved with the assumption of population growth in mind. When the assumption no longer holds, the structure degenerates. The current structure of economic growth, social security, housing, education &c all made structural choices based on population growth assumptions. That's not to say these are categorically existential problems, but more that absent mutandis mutatis(in varying degrees), they have that potential. 1. In the broadest possible sense. ie: economic structures are social structures
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    Basically, if people all started dropping dead at age 65, population decline would be such a big problem (though it would still be a problem with the low birthrate). As it is, we're going to have a very large portion of the population that's elderly and not working, while drawing from pensions or social assistance funds, and many of them also needing a lot of medical and/or hospice care too.
- ianai 4y ago
  The US truly is the land of plenty. It’s some of the most fertile land on earth across a significant portion of the northern American continent. It produces food for billions of people every year. Most of the land mass is void of people, for that matter. There is no scarcity for the logistics of a larger US population outside the ones the US creates for itself.
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steponlego 4y ago
We need to turn against illegal immigration though, it's critical.
- Georgelemental 4y ago
  If Congress passed, and the President signed, a law declaring all immigration legal, would you support that? It would "end illegal immigration" after all
  - notch898a 4y ago
    I'm pretty sure overstaying your visa isn't even a crime.
    - ianai 4y ago
      Doesn’t matter how it’s treated. People get lured here, have their visas taken from them (sometimes to “pay debt”), and now they’re slaves who will be treated as illegal immigrants and arrested if they go to the police. Problem entirely of our own making.
      - notch898a 4y ago
        If the police are breaking the law then that's another issues. The TVPA gives visas to human trafficking victims and VAWA gives you residency for saying the magic words that your lover/pimp/whatever has abused you.
        cantSpellSober 4y ago
        Shame Republicans didn't pass comprehensive immigration reform when they had control of both houses under the former administration eh? The president promised a "one-time payment" [1] from Mexico to pay for a border wall believe it or not! https://web.archive.org/web/20161105151917/https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20161105151917/https://assets.do...
ianai 4y ago
The Prof G podcast/YouTube channel has been pretty good at harping on the inequalities in the US lately. https://www.profgalloway.com/taxes/ https://www.profgalloway.com/taxes/ they/his team argue that a lot of the general negativity in things like migration policy and population growth and household forming is from the huge inequities in play. People just get more “small minded“ when facing or perceiving worsening conditions. Further, usually people commenting don’t have to out whether they’re near a border. (Let alone actual US commenters or not…) Personally, and I’ve always lived a few hours from the US/Mexico border, I think the US needs to address the otherism crap more directly. A point upgrade to the old adage of “send us your migrants, your weak, your poor, and there’ll be a place for hard workers.” “But leave any cultural baggage that’s going to cause you to discriminate against anyone else here behind. Same goes for any wars or desire to harm others.” I’m also curious where we’ll be in about 10 years once more of the old guard “age out.” Edit-the illegal immigration system currently pushes them into black markets and modern day slavery. So there needs to be a decriminalization of whole swaths of migrants. And it’s a huge, complicated issue that can’t be fully outlined in a quick cable news vignette.
- JamesBarney 4y ago
  An undocumented immigrant working for below minimum wage but more money than they would in their home country is not anywhere close to slavery.
- davidf18 4y ago
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- midoridensha 4y ago
  >But leave any cultural baggage that’s going to cause you to discriminate against anyone else here behind. Same goes for any wars or desire to harm others.” I think this is utterly impossible and a ridiculous thing to expect from immigrants. You're asking them to stop being human. Of course immigrants are going to bring all their cultural baggage with them; it's impossible for them not to. People are a product of the environment they grew up in. You can't expect to just grab a person from some random place on the planet, drop them into an entirely alien new country, and have them magically assimilate in any short period of time. Generally, they never do: their kids do, however.
Ancalagon 4y ago
1). Brain drain is very real and documented even on a state level in the us. 2). Maybe we can focus on immigration _and_ the reasons why women (and men) are choosing not to have as many kids anymore? Maybe just bringing people in to work the jobs most Americans don’t want to work should be looked at a little more closely? Just saying
- throwaway5959 4y ago
  My wife and I chose not to have children. They're not compatible with our lifestyle, we're already running into the limits of what the planet can support, and we'll be able to pass down any inheritance to my niece and nephew (her brother didn't have any kids). A lot of people are choosing not to have children because now they have the _choice_ to not have kids. In the 1950s? Good luck explaining that to your parents and grandparents.
  - Georgelemental 4y ago
    > They're not compatible with our lifestyle Did that lifestyle come out of a vacuum? Or was it influenced by economic, social, and cultural forces in society at large? If the decision of yourself and others in your situation really was a fully personal one, not influenced by economics or society—then low innate desire for children has become evolutionary maladaptive, and so we should expect birthrates to start rising rapidly through Darwinian selection pretty soon.
    - throwaway5959 4y ago
      I could say the same thing about people wanting to have kids. I'm sure that _was_ impacted by economic, social and cultural forces, see: tax credits, deductions, school taxes, etc.
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throwaway5959 4y ago
"The H-1B is a visa in the United States under the Immigration and Nationality Act, section 101(a)(15)(H) that allows U.S. employers to temporarily employ foreign workers in specialty occupations." From the Wikipedia page for H-1B visa. Note: "temporarily employ foreign workers in specialty occupations". Also from the page: "The U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) is responsible for ensuring that foreign workers do not displace or adversely affect wages or working conditions of U.S. workers." Note: "do not displace or adversely affect wages..." US companies have laid off tens of thousands of workers, many I'm sure are H1-B but also many US citizens as well. Priority should be for US citizens and permanent residents, by definition of the H-1B visa itself. Edit: Not sure why I'm being downvoted, I citied sources. Please point out what is incorrect in my statements if you're going to downvote. Thanks!
- 908B64B197 4y ago
  These layoffs are actually great for clearing some of pool of H1B recipient who, white frankly, shouldn't have been granted visas in the first place. Keep in mind that If I want to hire: A smart graduate from EPFL, Polytechnique or ETH Zurich who interned at CERN and has contributed to the Linux kernel for a software engineering job at a unicorn startup or A grad from a second tier "technical college" in India with a visa refusal rate of ~90% for a job doing manual UI testing and QA for a body shop [0]. my only path forward is H1! They'll both be listed as "computer related occupations" and apply for the same visa in the same quota. Does that make any sense to anyone? Of course, my odds of getting a lottery spot for the former are dramatically lower, since we all know body shops and consulting firms won't hesitate to file 4-5 applications per seat they plan to fill out (so one can hopefully get a spot in the lottery and not get any RFE). [0] https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/silicon-valleys-body-shop-secret/78781/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/silicon-valleys-body-s...
- spiderxxxx 4y ago
  In theory, the H-1B is great, it doesn't impact wages or jobs - nobody is denied a job and wages don't decrease. The reality is that companies hire a "junior developer" but expect senior developer work out of that H-1B, or they hire "software analyst" when they really mean "full stack programmer". Also they put out job ads in smaller circulations, or have weirdly specific requirements that put off Americans from applying, so they can say they advertised, got zero responses, or zero qualified candidates, and thus need the H-1B.

52 points by jseliger 4y ago

sys32768 4y ago

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bryanlarsen 4y ago
You must have learned it elsewhere today then, because it is addressed briefly in the OP and more thoroughly in other articles written by Noah Smith.
- sys32768 4y ago
  So it's China, not Chinese immigrants who spy and steal? He doesn't address it at all in this article. He says of the immigrants: >But that’s absolutely not a reason to treat Chinese immigrants as invaders or spies. In fact, quite the reverse — the fact that Chinese citizens would rather live and work in America than in the country of their birth is a powerful endorsement of our system and an indictment of China’s system.
  - mistrial9 4y ago
    This is lost on a lot of Americans. Many older, recent immigrants from China on the US West coast are not fans of the PRC government, and enjoy US home ownership and financial independence here, despite language challenges. It is raw prejudice to judge people and their intentions based on language and skin color.
    - notch898a 4y ago
      I think you're absolutely right but I can understand how some people might get that impression from some propaganda I've seen. I used to live in Chicago and right smack in the middle of Chinatown there was an absolutely massive billboard supporting the chinese communist party. Most everything else in this part of the city has been graffiti'd so it left quite an impression that not only was the billboard there but it was taken care of to the point any graffiti was not left standing. It's one of those things where the jaw just hits the floor to look at it on US soil.
      - cantSpellSober 4y ago
        So, an anecdote about one thing you saw once in one city (when?). Thanks for agreeing that "it is raw prejudice to judge people and their intentions based on language and skin color."
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      - kevinmchugh 4y ago
        When was this? I drive through (Chicago) Chinatown a few times a month and am curious if I've never noticed it or can't read it. I see Falun Gong protestors out many weekends and Shen Yun had billboards and ads all over
        notch898a 4y ago
        2010s. I believe it was on Cermak several blocks west of the L. IDK if still there or not.
        cantSpellSober 4y ago
        Do you have any evidence of the one billboard you saw a decade ago, or this is just purely anecdotal? (I think you confused it with Shen Yun)
    - FrontierPsych 4y ago
      all it takes is one person from another country to gain access and transfer knowledge to another country.
      - tptacek 4y ago
        That's the logic that led to Korematsu.
        FrontierPsych 4y ago
        I'm not sure what you are saying. It sounds like you are equating what I am saying to creating concentration camps for chinese. Which would be bizarre logic on your end.
        tptacek 4y ago
        I'm not equating anything. I am simply saying that the logic you're employing was also employed in Korematsu.
cantSpellSober 4y ago
This is the most nuanced take you can muster? Try reading more than the headline.

nhchris 4y ago

The US cannot turn against immigration, period. "Afford" doesn't enter into it. The Latino voting bloc, growing every day, votes against immigration reduction (or even enforcement, via sanctuary cities) out of ethnic solidarity. Indians likewise lobby for more immigration from India. That's no surprise - while only 15% of Whites see their race as very or extremely important to their identity, that number is 56% for Asians, 59% for Hispanics, and 74% for Blacks [1]. The simple reality is Whites will become a minority [2] in what was an 84% White country as recently as 1970 [3]. Will they be treated with gratitude for sharing their country, and so can afford to act colorblind, forsaking racial solidarity? Is gratitude what they're being shown now? Or will that leave them as individualists in a country dominated by inter-group competition, as current polls suggest? [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/04/09/race-in-america-2019/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/04/09/race-in... [2] It’s official: Minority babies are the majority among the nation’s infants, but only just - https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/23/its-official-minority-babies-are-the-majority-among-the-nations-infants-but-only-just/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/23/its-officia... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_d...

Der_Einzige 4y ago
Latino immigrants increased support for trump in 2020 vs 2016. Latinos are dropping catholicism and embracing evangelical protestantism (I've witnessed this with Latinos in my own life). There is a strong right wing shift happening right now among Latinos including first gen immigrants. Don't expect large amounts of immigrant solidarity from Latinos going forward. I think trump got slightly upwards of 40% of the Latino vote...
digianarchist 4y ago
America would already be a white minority nation had it not been for the racial bias towards Whites of previous immigration policies. I also think you can’t group Latinos as a voting bloc that swings one way on party or policy. Sure Latinos in Nevada lean blue and are more liberal but in Florida they are conservative and are voting Republican. Overall though I disagree with the framing. Why is a white minority a bad thing? Canada’s response to such demographic shifts is much more measured. We’re building a country together.

mixmastamyk 4y ago

A major foundational idea of this piece seems to be that population leveling and/or decline is a bad thing. But, I'm not sure it really is. Where does this idea come from? I know that some allowances need to be planned for regarding the economy, but it is obvious that indefinite/infinite population growth is not desirable nor tenable.

mistrial9 4y ago
because not everyone is affected the same way. Some populations have no trouble making as many babies as can be fed, to this day. Other populations are living the "Idiocracy" parody in real life.. The plants in the garden compete, and you bet fauna does, too. Reproductive failure due to social and psychological pressures is not "better" it is illness.
kelseyfrog 4y ago
There are certain social structures[1] which were created or evolved with the assumption of population growth in mind. When the assumption no longer holds, the structure degenerates. The current structure of economic growth, social security, housing, education &c all made structural choices based on population growth assumptions. That's not to say these are categorically existential problems, but more that absent mutandis mutatis(in varying degrees), they have that potential. 1. In the broadest possible sense. ie: economic structures are social structures
- midoridensha 4y ago
  Basically, if people all started dropping dead at age 65, population decline would be such a big problem (though it would still be a problem with the low birthrate). As it is, we're going to have a very large portion of the population that's elderly and not working, while drawing from pensions or social assistance funds, and many of them also needing a lot of medical and/or hospice care too.
ianai 4y ago
The US truly is the land of plenty. It’s some of the most fertile land on earth across a significant portion of the northern American continent. It produces food for billions of people every year. Most of the land mass is void of people, for that matter. There is no scarcity for the logistics of a larger US population outside the ones the US creates for itself.

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steponlego 4y ago

We need to turn against illegal immigration though, it's critical.

Georgelemental 4y ago
If Congress passed, and the President signed, a law declaring all immigration legal, would you support that? It would "end illegal immigration" after all
- notch898a 4y ago
  I'm pretty sure overstaying your visa isn't even a crime.
  - ianai 4y ago
    Doesn’t matter how it’s treated. People get lured here, have their visas taken from them (sometimes to “pay debt”), and now they’re slaves who will be treated as illegal immigrants and arrested if they go to the police. Problem entirely of our own making.
    - notch898a 4y ago
      If the police are breaking the law then that's another issues. The TVPA gives visas to human trafficking victims and VAWA gives you residency for saying the magic words that your lover/pimp/whatever has abused you.
      - cantSpellSober 4y ago
        Shame Republicans didn't pass comprehensive immigration reform when they had control of both houses under the former administration eh? The president promised a "one-time payment" [1] from Mexico to pay for a border wall believe it or not! https://web.archive.org/web/20161105151917/https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20161105151917/https://assets.do...

ianai 4y ago

The Prof G podcast/YouTube channel has been pretty good at harping on the inequalities in the US lately. https://www.profgalloway.com/taxes/ https://www.profgalloway.com/taxes/ they/his team argue that a lot of the general negativity in things like migration policy and population growth and household forming is from the huge inequities in play. People just get more “small minded“ when facing or perceiving worsening conditions. Further, usually people commenting don’t have to out whether they’re near a border. (Let alone actual US commenters or not…) Personally, and I’ve always lived a few hours from the US/Mexico border, I think the US needs to address the otherism crap more directly. A point upgrade to the old adage of “send us your migrants, your weak, your poor, and there’ll be a place for hard workers.” “But leave any cultural baggage that’s going to cause you to discriminate against anyone else here behind. Same goes for any wars or desire to harm others.” I’m also curious where we’ll be in about 10 years once more of the old guard “age out.” Edit-the illegal immigration system currently pushes them into black markets and modern day slavery. So there needs to be a decriminalization of whole swaths of migrants. And it’s a huge, complicated issue that can’t be fully outlined in a quick cable news vignette.

JamesBarney 4y ago
An undocumented immigrant working for below minimum wage but more money than they would in their home country is not anywhere close to slavery.
davidf18 4y ago
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midoridensha 4y ago
>But leave any cultural baggage that’s going to cause you to discriminate against anyone else here behind. Same goes for any wars or desire to harm others.” I think this is utterly impossible and a ridiculous thing to expect from immigrants. You're asking them to stop being human. Of course immigrants are going to bring all their cultural baggage with them; it's impossible for them not to. People are a product of the environment they grew up in. You can't expect to just grab a person from some random place on the planet, drop them into an entirely alien new country, and have them magically assimilate in any short period of time. Generally, they never do: their kids do, however.

Ancalagon 4y ago

1). Brain drain is very real and documented even on a state level in the us. 2). Maybe we can focus on immigration _and_ the reasons why women (and men) are choosing not to have as many kids anymore? Maybe just bringing people in to work the jobs most Americans don’t want to work should be looked at a little more closely? Just saying

throwaway5959 4y ago
My wife and I chose not to have children. They're not compatible with our lifestyle, we're already running into the limits of what the planet can support, and we'll be able to pass down any inheritance to my niece and nephew (her brother didn't have any kids). A lot of people are choosing not to have children because now they have the _choice_ to not have kids. In the 1950s? Good luck explaining that to your parents and grandparents.
- Georgelemental 4y ago
  > They're not compatible with our lifestyle Did that lifestyle come out of a vacuum? Or was it influenced by economic, social, and cultural forces in society at large? If the decision of yourself and others in your situation really was a fully personal one, not influenced by economics or society—then low innate desire for children has become evolutionary maladaptive, and so we should expect birthrates to start rising rapidly through Darwinian selection pretty soon.
  - throwaway5959 4y ago
    I could say the same thing about people wanting to have kids. I'm sure that _was_ impacted by economic, social and cultural forces, see: tax credits, deductions, school taxes, etc.
- rayiner 4y ago
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throwaway5959 4y ago

"The H-1B is a visa in the United States under the Immigration and Nationality Act, section 101(a)(15)(H) that allows U.S. employers to temporarily employ foreign workers in specialty occupations." From the Wikipedia page for H-1B visa. Note: "temporarily employ foreign workers in specialty occupations". Also from the page: "The U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) is responsible for ensuring that foreign workers do not displace or adversely affect wages or working conditions of U.S. workers." Note: "do not displace or adversely affect wages..." US companies have laid off tens of thousands of workers, many I'm sure are H1-B but also many US citizens as well. Priority should be for US citizens and permanent residents, by definition of the H-1B visa itself. Edit: Not sure why I'm being downvoted, I citied sources. Please point out what is incorrect in my statements if you're going to downvote. Thanks!

908B64B197 4y ago
These layoffs are actually great for clearing some of pool of H1B recipient who, white frankly, shouldn't have been granted visas in the first place. Keep in mind that If I want to hire: A smart graduate from EPFL, Polytechnique or ETH Zurich who interned at CERN and has contributed to the Linux kernel for a software engineering job at a unicorn startup or A grad from a second tier "technical college" in India with a visa refusal rate of ~90% for a job doing manual UI testing and QA for a body shop [0]. my only path forward is H1! They'll both be listed as "computer related occupations" and apply for the same visa in the same quota. Does that make any sense to anyone? Of course, my odds of getting a lottery spot for the former are dramatically lower, since we all know body shops and consulting firms won't hesitate to file 4-5 applications per seat they plan to fill out (so one can hopefully get a spot in the lottery and not get any RFE). [0] https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/silicon-valleys-body-shop-secret/78781/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/silicon-valleys-body-s...
spiderxxxx 4y ago
In theory, the H-1B is great, it doesn't impact wages or jobs - nobody is denied a job and wages don't decrease. The reality is that companies hire a "junior developer" but expect senior developer work out of that H-1B, or they hire "software analyst" when they really mean "full stack programmer". Also they put out job ads in smaller circulations, or have weirdly specific requirements that put off Americans from applying, so they can say they advertised, got zero responses, or zero qualified candidates, and thus need the H-1B.