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> Maybe if the little green Russian FSB and GRU soldiers didn’t turn up Ukraine wouldn’t have had a reason to shell those areas. Yet again, no evidence. You ha

> Maybe if the little green Russian FSB and GRU soldiers didn’t turn up Ukraine wouldn’t have had a reason to shell those areas. Yet again, no evidence. You have to get your facts straight, good sir. And even if it was true, maybe if ukrainians did't overthow the goverment and replace it with neo-nazis, east ukrainians wouldn't want autonomy. Just sayin > The UN disagrees with you, they found credible claims of child rape and torture. why then they don't present it in any verifiable form to russia? Maybe it would help to prosecute such criminals. Just sayin. European countries are interested in smearing Russia. Like they say Nord stream blow up is russias doing, like its famous russian entertainment to first build billion dollar pipelines and then destroy them for no reason. Stop blindly believing everything on the internet. Use your brain goddamit. > Not to mention the torture videos we have, Yeah, surely there is NO VIDEOS OF UKRAINIAN SOILDERS TORTURING THEIR CAPTIVES BE IT RUSSIAN SODIERS OR THEIR OWN SUPPOSED TRAITORS. > but I’m sure you’ve got some line for the video we have of Russians castrating Ukrainian soldiers too. only such video i've seen is when ukrainians tortured one of their own (who was rumored to be a pdf-file or something like that idk) they tried to frame it like russians were torturing ukrainian soldier, but it can be clearly seen in the video that their russian dress-up is sloppy to say the least.

_kbh_ 4y ago
> Yet again, no evidence.You have to get your facts straight, good sir. They're more evidence for the child rape accusations than any of the Russian claims. But you choose to believe one and not the other, I wonder why. > And even if it was true, maybe if ukrainians did't overthow the goverment and replace it with neo-nazis, east ukrainians wouldn't want autonomy. Just sayin So the Russians are allowed to invade and start a civil war because a government that didn't cow-tow to Russia constantly got into power?. > why then they don't present it in any verifiable form to russia? Maybe it would help to prosecute such criminals. Just sayin. Because Russia gives medals to the rapists, the torturers and the people who kill civilians so why would anyone bother. > European countries are interested in smearing Russia. Like they say Nord stream blow up is russias doing, like its famous russian entertainment to first build billion dollar pipelines and then destroy them for no reason. Russia has a lot of experience in blowing up pipelines, they have done it multiple times in the past, but as far as I know, no one government in Europe has come out and said who did it?. > Stop blindly believing everything on the internet. Use your brain goddamit. Stop blindly parroting Russian propaganda. > only such video i've seen is when ukrainians tortured one of their own (who was rumored to be a pdf-file or something like that idk) they tried to frame it like russians were torturing ukrainian soldier, but it can be clearly seen in the video that their russian dress-up is sloppy to say the least. A yes of course it's Ukrainains dressed up as Russians to blame for something. Not just the Russians being Russians. This video was originally posted on a Pro Russian telegram, where the poster identified the person who was being castrated, and the person doing he castrating as Russian. Why would a Pro Russian Telegram post that if it was fake.
- akamaine 4y ago
  > more evidence quality over quantity. > Russians are allowed ...to protect fellow russian speaking folks from the slaughter by neo-nazi regime. And for starters, russia didn't start civil war, ukraine did when they started shelling donbas. > Because Russia gives medals to the rapists, the torturers and the people who kill civilians so why would anyone bother. Maybe they don't know these people are horrible criminals. If you have proof present it already and stop with the excuses. > they have done it multiple times in the past examples? > Stop blindly parroting Russian propaganda. Stop blindly parroting USA propaganda. > Not just the Russians being Russians. Oh, so you are a nazi. Could have said so from the start, maybe we'd avoid all this argument. You just hate russians. > Why would a Pro Russian Telegram post that if it was fake. There are a lot of posting going on rn. Most of it is bound to be fake. Can you for example give me one example of idk... Zelensky saying something that isn't utter bullshit.
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > quality over quantity. Exactly, the quality of any evidence for Russians claim is nearly 0. > ...to protect fellow russian speaking folks from the slaughter by neo-nazi regime. Where's the quality evidence for any of this?, no that im expecting any, the 'neo-nazi' shtick is typical Russian propaganda. > Maybe they don't know these people are horrible criminals. If you have proof present it already and stop with the excuses. A yes, I forgot, Russia the country without access to the internet or other media. Theres plenty of evidence online and plenty of people have provided lots, Russia doesn't care. > Stop blindly parroting USA propaganda. The truth, is not propaganda, just because it makes Russia look bad does not mean it's false. > Oh, so you are a nazi. Could have said so from the start, maybe we'd avoid all this argument. You just hate russians. I don't hate Russians, but I do hate people who rape children and torture civilians, but I can see why it'd be easy to mix them up. I am also confused about how not liking Russians would make a nazi, care to explain that train of thought for me?. > There are a lot of posting going on rn. Most of it is bound to be fake. Can you for example give me one example of idk... Zelensky saying something that isn't utter bullshit. So the Russians are posting fake news, that makes them look like there castrating a Ukrainian soldier, to their own telegram so that they can achieve what exactly?. Yeah im sorry that makes literally no sense. Far more likely its real, its just very inconvenient for you.
bobdvb 4y ago
You know that Wagner group, Russia's private mercenaries leading the charge in Bahkmut are run by neo Nazi's don't you? The whole "we're saving them from the Nazi's" was a constructed lie to sell to the ignorant and reactionary
- akamaine 4y ago
  > Wagner group, Russia's private mercenaries leading the charge in Bahkmut are run by neo Nazi's don't you Don't know why you didn't mention Rusich as an obvious example of Nazis, but ok, let's say Wagner group is Nazi. So what? They are not part of official military forces of Russia, unlike Azov in Ukraine. Moreover such people in Russia are very much frowned upon to say the least, especially in by official soldiers. But hey, if they can help on the frontline without good people risking their lives, why not let them. > The whole "we're saving them from the Nazi's" was a constructed lie to sell to the ignorant and reactionary So the bombing of Donbas, Alley of angels, countless reports of Ukraine violating Minsk agreements, Ukrainian and European officials admitting Minsk agreements were a lie, cutting of civilian infrastructure, tortures, kidnappings, people loosing whole livelihoods for dreadful 8 years is lie. Seems legit.
  - mopsi 4y ago
    > So the bombing of Donbas, Alley of angels, countless reports of Ukraine violating Minsk agreements, Ukrainian and European officials admitting Minsk agreements were a lie, cutting of civilian infrastructure, tortures, kidnappings, people loosing whole livelihoods for dreadful 8 years is lie. It is. Nazis had a long list of manufactured complaints against Poland too to justify invasion, doesn't require much effort to make up stuff like this.
    - akamaine 4y ago
      I advise you pay a visit to Donbas and talk to people there before claiming their suffering is a lie. Might clarify something in this conflict like it did for this wonderful lady: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o https://youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o

_kbh_ 4y ago

> Yet again, no evidence.You have to get your facts straight, good sir. They're more evidence for the child rape accusations than any of the Russian claims. But you choose to believe one and not the other, I wonder why. > And even if it was true, maybe if ukrainians did't overthow the goverment and replace it with neo-nazis, east ukrainians wouldn't want autonomy. Just sayin So the Russians are allowed to invade and start a civil war because a government that didn't cow-tow to Russia constantly got into power?. > why then they don't present it in any verifiable form to russia? Maybe it would help to prosecute such criminals. Just sayin. Because Russia gives medals to the rapists, the torturers and the people who kill civilians so why would anyone bother. > European countries are interested in smearing Russia. Like they say Nord stream blow up is russias doing, like its famous russian entertainment to first build billion dollar pipelines and then destroy them for no reason. Russia has a lot of experience in blowing up pipelines, they have done it multiple times in the past, but as far as I know, no one government in Europe has come out and said who did it?. > Stop blindly believing everything on the internet. Use your brain goddamit. Stop blindly parroting Russian propaganda. > only such video i've seen is when ukrainians tortured one of their own (who was rumored to be a pdf-file or something like that idk) they tried to frame it like russians were torturing ukrainian soldier, but it can be clearly seen in the video that their russian dress-up is sloppy to say the least. A yes of course it's Ukrainains dressed up as Russians to blame for something. Not just the Russians being Russians. This video was originally posted on a Pro Russian telegram, where the poster identified the person who was being castrated, and the person doing he castrating as Russian. Why would a Pro Russian Telegram post that if it was fake.

akamaine 4y ago
> more evidence quality over quantity. > Russians are allowed ...to protect fellow russian speaking folks from the slaughter by neo-nazi regime. And for starters, russia didn't start civil war, ukraine did when they started shelling donbas. > Because Russia gives medals to the rapists, the torturers and the people who kill civilians so why would anyone bother. Maybe they don't know these people are horrible criminals. If you have proof present it already and stop with the excuses. > they have done it multiple times in the past examples? > Stop blindly parroting Russian propaganda. Stop blindly parroting USA propaganda. > Not just the Russians being Russians. Oh, so you are a nazi. Could have said so from the start, maybe we'd avoid all this argument. You just hate russians. > Why would a Pro Russian Telegram post that if it was fake. There are a lot of posting going on rn. Most of it is bound to be fake. Can you for example give me one example of idk... Zelensky saying something that isn't utter bullshit.
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > quality over quantity. Exactly, the quality of any evidence for Russians claim is nearly 0. > ...to protect fellow russian speaking folks from the slaughter by neo-nazi regime. Where's the quality evidence for any of this?, no that im expecting any, the 'neo-nazi' shtick is typical Russian propaganda. > Maybe they don't know these people are horrible criminals. If you have proof present it already and stop with the excuses. A yes, I forgot, Russia the country without access to the internet or other media. Theres plenty of evidence online and plenty of people have provided lots, Russia doesn't care. > Stop blindly parroting USA propaganda. The truth, is not propaganda, just because it makes Russia look bad does not mean it's false. > Oh, so you are a nazi. Could have said so from the start, maybe we'd avoid all this argument. You just hate russians. I don't hate Russians, but I do hate people who rape children and torture civilians, but I can see why it'd be easy to mix them up. I am also confused about how not liking Russians would make a nazi, care to explain that train of thought for me?. > There are a lot of posting going on rn. Most of it is bound to be fake. Can you for example give me one example of idk... Zelensky saying something that isn't utter bullshit. So the Russians are posting fake news, that makes them look like there castrating a Ukrainian soldier, to their own telegram so that they can achieve what exactly?. Yeah im sorry that makes literally no sense. Far more likely its real, its just very inconvenient for you.

bobdvb 4y ago

You know that Wagner group, Russia's private mercenaries leading the charge in Bahkmut are run by neo Nazi's don't you? The whole "we're saving them from the Nazi's" was a constructed lie to sell to the ignorant and reactionary

akamaine 4y ago
> Wagner group, Russia's private mercenaries leading the charge in Bahkmut are run by neo Nazi's don't you Don't know why you didn't mention Rusich as an obvious example of Nazis, but ok, let's say Wagner group is Nazi. So what? They are not part of official military forces of Russia, unlike Azov in Ukraine. Moreover such people in Russia are very much frowned upon to say the least, especially in by official soldiers. But hey, if they can help on the frontline without good people risking their lives, why not let them. > The whole "we're saving them from the Nazi's" was a constructed lie to sell to the ignorant and reactionary So the bombing of Donbas, Alley of angels, countless reports of Ukraine violating Minsk agreements, Ukrainian and European officials admitting Minsk agreements were a lie, cutting of civilian infrastructure, tortures, kidnappings, people loosing whole livelihoods for dreadful 8 years is lie. Seems legit.
- mopsi 4y ago
  > So the bombing of Donbas, Alley of angels, countless reports of Ukraine violating Minsk agreements, Ukrainian and European officials admitting Minsk agreements were a lie, cutting of civilian infrastructure, tortures, kidnappings, people loosing whole livelihoods for dreadful 8 years is lie. It is. Nazis had a long list of manufactured complaints against Poland too to justify invasion, doesn't require much effort to make up stuff like this.
  - akamaine 4y ago
    I advise you pay a visit to Donbas and talk to people there before claiming their suffering is a lie. Might clarify something in this conflict like it did for this wonderful lady: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o https://youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o