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This is much harder to do when you 1) have dependents, 2) are bad at interviewing, 3) don't have time to interview, 4) don't have in-demand skills and/or 5) are

This is much harder to do when you 1) have dependents, 2) are bad at interviewing, 3) don't have time to interview, 4) don't have in-demand skills and/or 5) are not financially stable.

mschuster91 4y ago
> and/or 5) are not financially stable which many people - even senior developers - aren't because housing and other CoL expenses eat up wages everywhere, and companies exploit that as they wish. Additionally, at least in the US and parts of the EU, the complications of legalized slavery aka H1B / other work visas make protesting against bad conditions much harder.
- adra 4y ago
  Don't talk about legalized slavery in regards to these programs. They have the right to walk away at any time, and that's their choice. Spend some time to read about kafala if you want to learn about modern slavery.
  - grugagag 4y ago
    They have the right but in reality can’t find another job within the short timespan and after which they become illegal immigrants and have to go back home. Sure, it’s not impossible but on average it’s very hard to break the shackles of the H1B visas. Often these people put up high stakes to obtain these jobs and going back leaves them in debt. It’s a system designed to exploit
  - yeahbutiguess 4y ago
    Both can be true. Just because one is worse does not make the other ok. A worse situation does not trivialize a bad situation.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    Oh I'm aware of that. The thing is, modern forms of slavery are varied in forms. Some are based on laws but still criticized as inhumane (e.g. US prison labor, kafala in Arab nations), some are based on laws but widely accepted (H1B, conscription in militaries), and some are completely illegal (e.g. human trafficking for sexual and agricultural exploitation).
    - hgsgm 4y ago
      Being sent back home is absolutely not slavery. Not everything bad related to work is slavery.
- jonfw 4y ago
  For any high cost of living area where a senior developer works, there are plenty of non-developer workers doing the same 9-5s in the same office buildings on a fraction of their salary. Maybe try a longer commute or a roommate before whining about your cost of living W.r.t. immigration- you're certainly right. I would be terrified to rock the boat if my employer could put me at risk of deportation

This is much harder to do when you 1) have dependents, 2) are bad at interviewing, 3) don't have time to interview, 4) don't have in-demand skills and/or 5) are not financially stable.

mschuster91 4y ago

> and/or 5) are not financially stable which many people - even senior developers - aren't because housing and other CoL expenses eat up wages everywhere, and companies exploit that as they wish. Additionally, at least in the US and parts of the EU, the complications of legalized slavery aka H1B / other work visas make protesting against bad conditions much harder.

adra 4y ago
Don't talk about legalized slavery in regards to these programs. They have the right to walk away at any time, and that's their choice. Spend some time to read about kafala if you want to learn about modern slavery.
- grugagag 4y ago
  They have the right but in reality can’t find another job within the short timespan and after which they become illegal immigrants and have to go back home. Sure, it’s not impossible but on average it’s very hard to break the shackles of the H1B visas. Often these people put up high stakes to obtain these jobs and going back leaves them in debt. It’s a system designed to exploit
- yeahbutiguess 4y ago
  Both can be true. Just because one is worse does not make the other ok. A worse situation does not trivialize a bad situation.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  Oh I'm aware of that. The thing is, modern forms of slavery are varied in forms. Some are based on laws but still criticized as inhumane (e.g. US prison labor, kafala in Arab nations), some are based on laws but widely accepted (H1B, conscription in militaries), and some are completely illegal (e.g. human trafficking for sexual and agricultural exploitation).
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    Being sent back home is absolutely not slavery. Not everything bad related to work is slavery.
jonfw 4y ago
For any high cost of living area where a senior developer works, there are plenty of non-developer workers doing the same 9-5s in the same office buildings on a fraction of their salary. Maybe try a longer commute or a roommate before whining about your cost of living W.r.t. immigration- you're certainly right. I would be terrified to rock the boat if my employer could put me at risk of deportation