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Excellent article. I was helping my son with his homework. He had to write an essay about why the gender of the protagonist might be female (although this is n

Excellent article. I was helping my son with his homework. He had to write an essay about why the gender of the protagonist might be female (although this is never mentioned in the short story). Fortunately for him, ChatGPT knew the story and was happy to write an essay with arguments. [Btw, according to him pretty much everyone in class routinely has the AI do their essays] He was about to send this essay in. But as we were admiring the prose of the computer (which is much better than either of can), we found out that some of the arguments actually didn't make much sense. So we went to through a rewrite exercise like in the article, improving the essay and our understanding of the issues. Next time I see her, I'll urge the teacher to adopt a similar approach as in the article.

kzrdude 4y ago
Is this a situation where it's not cheating to use a chatbot for the output? I understand it becomes nuanced if you edit the output, but still.
- eertami 4y ago
  This is cheating and while it might not be picked up in a high school essay, it will certainly be flagged for plagiarism at almost all Universities. It's very dangerous to do this unless your course specifically asks you to answer using AI tools, like the course in the OP.
  - ghostpepper 4y ago
    When you say "it will be flagged" do you mean that it would be considered cheating under existing academic dishonesty policies? or do you mean that the plagiarism-detection tools currently in use at universities can reliably detect the output of ChatGPT, new Bing, etc. that were only released publicly in the last few months
    - swatcoder 4y ago
      If you're just worried about the pragmatics of being caught, I'd keep in mind that ChatGPT doesn't actually have a very high "dynamic range" given some specific set of inputs. If you use it enough, or explore the same topics and prompts enough, you'll quickly start to see structures, words, phrases, presentations that its output gravitates towards. These may not be enough of a watermark to generally detect what was written by an AI and what wasn't yet, but it does suggest that the proliferation of AI-written assignment essays will quickly produce a catalog of plagiarism sources that works with existing tools. In other words, once people submit enough AI-written essays about popular assignment A, existing plagiarism detection tools will easily start to notice the phrases/sequences/structures that it statistically gravitates towards (because that's what it does by design!) and start detecting these in later work. That software won't know what's AI written or not, but it will think that your submission may be plagiarized because a lot of it looks pretty specifically familiar.
      - gertlex 4y ago
        Going a bit further... the AI tooling will also be used elsewhere, in things that not-just-students read. So writing style will potentially drift/evolve to be like AI writers, and this will muddy the detection efforts. I know I've noticed numerous times how I pick up on and start using phrasing (and other tells automatically), matching what others do over the years. Of course, I wouldn't be particularly surprised if the above effect doesn't manifest. It's very dependent on how much AI writing spreads across numerous areas, and whether kids-these-days do any measurable amounts of long-form reading.
    - nomel 4y ago
      > can reliably detect the output of ChatGPT. I imagine schools will have to put minimal value in out of person assignments, relying on proctored exams for final grades. This might be an investment opportunity!
  - leereeves 4y ago
    If students acknowledge that they used ChatGPT and what the prompt was (as required by the OP), then it's not plagiarism. But I think many professors who don't accept AI as a writing aide would say that it doesn't satisfy the assignment and is worth zero points.
    - dr_dshiv 4y ago
      Using AI output isn’t plagiarism. Finders keepers. You push the button, you get the copyright, just like a camera. Now, whether it is ghostwriting is another matter.
      - thebooktocome 4y ago
        It's not settled law yet. Many jurisdictions seem inclined to assign no copyright at all to AI-generated works, like the United States and the European Union.
      - leereeves 4y ago
        Copyright doesn't matter. It's about academic honesty, not whether you have the right to use the work. You can even plagiarize your own work.
      - b3morales 4y ago
        Plagiarism and copyright infringement have some overlap but they're distinct. You can be guilty of plagiarism by taking something in the public domain and presenting it as your own work.
- realharo 4y ago
  What about simply helping your child with their homework at all? That could also count as cheating if you go with a strict interpretation.
  - tuukkah 4y ago
    For a reasonable interpretation, I offer this (in the context of programming): "The course recognizes that interactions with classmates and others can facilitate mastery of the course’s material. However, there remains a line between enlisting the help of another and submitting the work of another. [--] Working with (and even paying) a tutor to help you with the course, provided the tutor does not do your work for you." https://cs50.harvard.edu/x/2023/honesty/ https://cs50.harvard.edu/x/2023/honesty/
    - realharo 4y ago
      This is where AI could act as a good equalizer. Having access to people who can sit down with you and explain things to you when you get stuck, or who can point out mistakes in your existing understanding or your work, can make a huge difference in the outcomes of students. If AI gets good enough to fill that role, everyone can have that access (or at least something close enough).
      - tsimionescu 4y ago
        Pretty sure that would require AGI, and is at least well beyond the means of LLMs.
        tuukkah 4y ago
        You can ask ChatGPT why your code is not working right, and often it will give a helpful suggestion. Sure, the suggestion may be wrong or misleading, but it can help you get unstuck in any case.
        tsimionescu 4y ago
- isaacfrond 4y ago
  1. I'm not going to take the moral highroad here. He's clearly going for an IT education. I think it's great that he is exploring these options. 2. He involved me, and we're making this a great learning experience. 3. Face the facts. This goes really fast. If you don't use an AI, your essay is going to be at the bottom of the heap. I'd estimate that out of the 35 essays, maybe 25 used AI for assistance.
  - kzrdude 4y ago
    I don't understand or like schools that take a tough stance on computer-checking for plagarism and so on, that's just sad, but if the school thinks using this tool is cheating, then I'd avoid it. I've already heard that schools think that chatbots are a crisis, they can't do essay hand-ins anymore due to this, but maybe there are different approaches where they can handle it. Maybe some think for example that they can see through it and grade down if it is an apparent problem for the handed-in text anyway.
    - BlueTemplar 4y ago
      They will probably have to start to test for the specific required skills in-class. Nobody is trying to test your knowledge of the multiplication table, or the trigonometric relations by allowing you to take the assignment home (or use a calculator during the test).
  - barbariangrunge 4y ago
    Bottom of the heap? Ai essays suck. They’re painful to read for the most part. The only reason they look good is because the average person has undeveloped writing and critical thinking skills, so that comparatively they sometimes look okay. Refusing to learn to write is the opposite of the right approach here
    - ben_w 4y ago
      When I started secondary school in the UK, the home economics teacher (i.e. cooking and sewing) in the first lesson had a rant about how she absolutely did not want to see anyone write up their cooking with the phrase "I think it tasted quite nice" because it was a generic and content-free cliché. That's the standard ChatGPT has to beat to make you look good at school. Likewise, the average comments section is all you have to beat to seem erudite as an adult.
- kulahan 4y ago
  The article talks about it being required, so I assumed this was a similar scenario, personally.
ecf 4y ago
A whole generation is going to start relying on AI and never do any actual writing or critical thinking for themselves. This is a problem when the average reading level for half of American adults is already below that of an 8th grader.
- cjbgkagh 4y ago
  I figure learning the utility of AI might be more important than critical thinking about why some stories character might be female. Don’t we have more interesting questions for these children to ponder? Plus editing requires critical thinking in a way that is less mechanical than essay writing.
- pixl97 4y ago
  What is the long term historical trend of the average 8th grade reading level when taking in all currently measured groups and taking in considerations in measurement changes?
  - criddell 4y ago
    From looking at the reading assignments my kids were given throughout middle and high school, it seems like the goal of the education system is to eliminate any joy a kid finds in reading. When they were in elementary school, they learned that any book with a silver or gold medallion on the cover was the book equivalent of vegetables. You read it because some adults think it will be good for you. When I was in high school (late 1980’s), there was a time each week for what they called USSR - undisturbed, sustained, silent reading (in retrospect, USSR is a strange acronym). They didn’t care what we read and there were no assignments associated with the reading material. The goal was to choose something you want to read and read it, 45 minutes at a time. Edit: I just looked it up and it turns out it wasn’t a local thing. I had the acronym wrong though - it’s uninterrupted sustained silent reading. http://ejournal.unp.ac.id/index.php/jelt/article/view/101466 http://ejournal.unp.ac.id/index.php/jelt/article/view/101466
    - Izkata 4y ago
      We had "silent reading" in elementary school (I remember it for sure in 6th grade, and I think earlier as well) and I remember most kids finding something they liked (at the very least they weren't goofing around), then middle school and high school is when the required reading started killing interest for everyone.
adamsmith143 4y ago
> Fortunately for him, ChatGPT knew the story and was happy to write an essay with arguments. [Btw, according to him pretty much everyone in class routinely has the AI do their essays] >He was about to send this essay in. Why would you encourage your child to use ChatGPT like this? "Everyone else is doing it" seems like a great argument for NOT doing it yourself as those kids are going to seriously lack critical thinking skills in a few years as they offload that work to AIs.
- b112 4y ago
  No defending, merely pondering. It may be, and this part horrifies me, like using a calculator. I remember when they first became affordable, and at that time, the same horror. And from what I've seen, that horror came to fruition, as I see younger(20s to 40s) adults sometimes struggling with simple math. EG, if the power is out, and manually handling change at a cash register. Yes, there is intelligence, but also the honing and application of the same. And calculators reduced some of that. Now enter chatgpt. Here goes the ability to hone arguments, forge essays, etc, etc. Gone! Imagine when everyone gets a brain link, I bet all long term menory will fall into ruin, too.
  - adamsmith143 4y ago
    I'm not sure the analogy is the same. To me it seems more like plagiarizing an essay or copying homework answers from Chegg or something like that. You haven't gained a new skill, you've just mindlessly pasted an answer from somewhere else. You CAN certainly use tools like ChatGPT in a powerful and useful way that amplifies your own abilities instead of atrophying them. >Now enter chatgpt. Here goes the ability to hone arguments, forge essays, etc, etc. Gone! It's just not the same. If you take an essay prompt and just paste it into ChatGPT and then paste the output into your homework submission what skill exactly are you exercising or learning? There IS value in having to think about a problem and make a coherent argument in text form and you certainly lose that if you never practice it because you just let ChatGPT do it. At least with some of the current models, e.g. ChatGPT, we can't even be sure of the veracity of it's outputs so not only are you not learning any skills you can potentially output blatantly false information as well.
cik2e 4y ago
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janeway 4y ago
I am delighted to hear that children are already adopting the new tech. Sure there will be kinks for a while where no one bothers with the reading or writing assignments. But shortly that will smooth out as everyone gets on even ground. Writing those essays will become trivial and irrelevant and be replaced with more interesting tasks with the assistance of AI. I always think of Star Trek; instead of long-division math questions they will learn skills like “computer, if the trajectory of this rouge planet is reversed and we assume that is was ejected after some massive explosion, calculate the possible causes based on previously observed similar events and report the top candidate cause and confidence interval”. An example from my academic field: instead of biased, unreproducible research papers we could publish: [1] raw data, [2] hypothesis context, [3] model, [4] seed. The output result can be read based on your own AI chatbot preferences but the conclusion is consistent and reproducible.
- bennysonething 4y ago
  But surely the point of essay writing is to learn how to structure your thoughts into a coherent argument? If students aren't doing this, how will they learn this skill?
  - justinator 4y ago
    Or just learning how to write - most people simply can't write well. It's great that people are learning how to carefully craft a Google search query to give them the results they want, but they'll never be able to write a vulnerable love letter to their wife.
    - xeyownt 4y ago
      The point then is that they won't have to anymore. However, I also think that you learn by imitation. If you have a text assignment, and that you make a sloppy job, and get a bad grade, what did you learn? But if you do the same text assignment, and improve it by iterating several prompts, then at least you learn something. Also, learning requires motivation. It's futile to compare learning methods if there is no motivation (e.g; we assume students want to cheat). If instead we assume motivation, and we lower the bar required for learning, then these students will learn more with AI than without. The only point I'm worried about is about imagination. For instance, it's easy to ask AI for example of names, stories, etc. But there is also benefit in spending time searching these things yourself. Not sure what the tradeoff will be there.
908B64B197 4y ago
> So we went to through a rewrite exercise like in the article, improving the essay and our understanding of the issues. The lesson you tought your son is far more valuable than what he could have possibly learned writing the essay as intended. AI is a tool he can use to augmentent his capabilities. But he shouldn't rely on it blindly. That's true for every technology (remember the Graphing Calculator on PowerPC Macs?). > Next time I see her, I'll urge the teacher to adopt a similar approach as in the article. Don't. This gives your son a competitive advantage over the kids who will simply turn up what the AI wrote (and get a 0) or spend too long writing their own essays.
- noobermin 4y ago
  Yes, this is a competitive advantage for the next...six months until the other students figure out they can do this.
- smolder 4y ago
  > This gives your son a competitive advantage In what competition?
bombolo 4y ago
Well when I was in school the graded essays were written in class
feoren 4y ago
Did I go into a coma and wake up into a world where wholesale cheating is celebrated? What the fuck is going on here? You're causally dropping that you're helping your son cheat? People are talking about your son having a "competitive advantage" over other students? You people sound like fucking psychopaths.

kzrdude 4y ago

Is this a situation where it's not cheating to use a chatbot for the output? I understand it becomes nuanced if you edit the output, but still.

eertami 4y ago
This is cheating and while it might not be picked up in a high school essay, it will certainly be flagged for plagiarism at almost all Universities. It's very dangerous to do this unless your course specifically asks you to answer using AI tools, like the course in the OP.
- ghostpepper 4y ago
  When you say "it will be flagged" do you mean that it would be considered cheating under existing academic dishonesty policies? or do you mean that the plagiarism-detection tools currently in use at universities can reliably detect the output of ChatGPT, new Bing, etc. that were only released publicly in the last few months
  - swatcoder 4y ago
    If you're just worried about the pragmatics of being caught, I'd keep in mind that ChatGPT doesn't actually have a very high "dynamic range" given some specific set of inputs. If you use it enough, or explore the same topics and prompts enough, you'll quickly start to see structures, words, phrases, presentations that its output gravitates towards. These may not be enough of a watermark to generally detect what was written by an AI and what wasn't yet, but it does suggest that the proliferation of AI-written assignment essays will quickly produce a catalog of plagiarism sources that works with existing tools. In other words, once people submit enough AI-written essays about popular assignment A, existing plagiarism detection tools will easily start to notice the phrases/sequences/structures that it statistically gravitates towards (because that's what it does by design!) and start detecting these in later work. That software won't know what's AI written or not, but it will think that your submission may be plagiarized because a lot of it looks pretty specifically familiar.
    - gertlex 4y ago
      Going a bit further... the AI tooling will also be used elsewhere, in things that not-just-students read. So writing style will potentially drift/evolve to be like AI writers, and this will muddy the detection efforts. I know I've noticed numerous times how I pick up on and start using phrasing (and other tells automatically), matching what others do over the years. Of course, I wouldn't be particularly surprised if the above effect doesn't manifest. It's very dependent on how much AI writing spreads across numerous areas, and whether kids-these-days do any measurable amounts of long-form reading.
  - nomel 4y ago
    > can reliably detect the output of ChatGPT. I imagine schools will have to put minimal value in out of person assignments, relying on proctored exams for final grades. This might be an investment opportunity!
- leereeves 4y ago
  If students acknowledge that they used ChatGPT and what the prompt was (as required by the OP), then it's not plagiarism. But I think many professors who don't accept AI as a writing aide would say that it doesn't satisfy the assignment and is worth zero points.
  - dr_dshiv 4y ago
    Using AI output isn’t plagiarism. Finders keepers. You push the button, you get the copyright, just like a camera. Now, whether it is ghostwriting is another matter.
    - thebooktocome 4y ago
      It's not settled law yet. Many jurisdictions seem inclined to assign no copyright at all to AI-generated works, like the United States and the European Union.
    - leereeves 4y ago
      Copyright doesn't matter. It's about academic honesty, not whether you have the right to use the work. You can even plagiarize your own work.
    - b3morales 4y ago
      Plagiarism and copyright infringement have some overlap but they're distinct. You can be guilty of plagiarism by taking something in the public domain and presenting it as your own work.
realharo 4y ago
What about simply helping your child with their homework at all? That could also count as cheating if you go with a strict interpretation.
- tuukkah 4y ago
  For a reasonable interpretation, I offer this (in the context of programming): "The course recognizes that interactions with classmates and others can facilitate mastery of the course’s material. However, there remains a line between enlisting the help of another and submitting the work of another. [--] Working with (and even paying) a tutor to help you with the course, provided the tutor does not do your work for you." https://cs50.harvard.edu/x/2023/honesty/ https://cs50.harvard.edu/x/2023/honesty/
  - realharo 4y ago
    This is where AI could act as a good equalizer. Having access to people who can sit down with you and explain things to you when you get stuck, or who can point out mistakes in your existing understanding or your work, can make a huge difference in the outcomes of students. If AI gets good enough to fill that role, everyone can have that access (or at least something close enough).
    - tsimionescu 4y ago
      Pretty sure that would require AGI, and is at least well beyond the means of LLMs.
      - tuukkah 4y ago
        You can ask ChatGPT why your code is not working right, and often it will give a helpful suggestion. Sure, the suggestion may be wrong or misleading, but it can help you get unstuck in any case.
        tsimionescu 4y ago
isaacfrond 4y ago
1. I'm not going to take the moral highroad here. He's clearly going for an IT education. I think it's great that he is exploring these options. 2. He involved me, and we're making this a great learning experience. 3. Face the facts. This goes really fast. If you don't use an AI, your essay is going to be at the bottom of the heap. I'd estimate that out of the 35 essays, maybe 25 used AI for assistance.
- kzrdude 4y ago
  I don't understand or like schools that take a tough stance on computer-checking for plagarism and so on, that's just sad, but if the school thinks using this tool is cheating, then I'd avoid it. I've already heard that schools think that chatbots are a crisis, they can't do essay hand-ins anymore due to this, but maybe there are different approaches where they can handle it. Maybe some think for example that they can see through it and grade down if it is an apparent problem for the handed-in text anyway.
  - BlueTemplar 4y ago
    They will probably have to start to test for the specific required skills in-class. Nobody is trying to test your knowledge of the multiplication table, or the trigonometric relations by allowing you to take the assignment home (or use a calculator during the test).
- barbariangrunge 4y ago
  Bottom of the heap? Ai essays suck. They’re painful to read for the most part. The only reason they look good is because the average person has undeveloped writing and critical thinking skills, so that comparatively they sometimes look okay. Refusing to learn to write is the opposite of the right approach here
  - ben_w 4y ago
    When I started secondary school in the UK, the home economics teacher (i.e. cooking and sewing) in the first lesson had a rant about how she absolutely did not want to see anyone write up their cooking with the phrase "I think it tasted quite nice" because it was a generic and content-free cliché. That's the standard ChatGPT has to beat to make you look good at school. Likewise, the average comments section is all you have to beat to seem erudite as an adult.
kulahan 4y ago
The article talks about it being required, so I assumed this was a similar scenario, personally.

ecf 4y ago

A whole generation is going to start relying on AI and never do any actual writing or critical thinking for themselves. This is a problem when the average reading level for half of American adults is already below that of an 8th grader.

cjbgkagh 4y ago
I figure learning the utility of AI might be more important than critical thinking about why some stories character might be female. Don’t we have more interesting questions for these children to ponder? Plus editing requires critical thinking in a way that is less mechanical than essay writing.
pixl97 4y ago
What is the long term historical trend of the average 8th grade reading level when taking in all currently measured groups and taking in considerations in measurement changes?
- criddell 4y ago
  From looking at the reading assignments my kids were given throughout middle and high school, it seems like the goal of the education system is to eliminate any joy a kid finds in reading. When they were in elementary school, they learned that any book with a silver or gold medallion on the cover was the book equivalent of vegetables. You read it because some adults think it will be good for you. When I was in high school (late 1980’s), there was a time each week for what they called USSR - undisturbed, sustained, silent reading (in retrospect, USSR is a strange acronym). They didn’t care what we read and there were no assignments associated with the reading material. The goal was to choose something you want to read and read it, 45 minutes at a time. Edit: I just looked it up and it turns out it wasn’t a local thing. I had the acronym wrong though - it’s uninterrupted sustained silent reading. http://ejournal.unp.ac.id/index.php/jelt/article/view/101466 http://ejournal.unp.ac.id/index.php/jelt/article/view/101466
  - Izkata 4y ago
    We had "silent reading" in elementary school (I remember it for sure in 6th grade, and I think earlier as well) and I remember most kids finding something they liked (at the very least they weren't goofing around), then middle school and high school is when the required reading started killing interest for everyone.

adamsmith143 4y ago

> Fortunately for him, ChatGPT knew the story and was happy to write an essay with arguments. [Btw, according to him pretty much everyone in class routinely has the AI do their essays] >He was about to send this essay in. Why would you encourage your child to use ChatGPT like this? "Everyone else is doing it" seems like a great argument for NOT doing it yourself as those kids are going to seriously lack critical thinking skills in a few years as they offload that work to AIs.

b112 4y ago
No defending, merely pondering. It may be, and this part horrifies me, like using a calculator. I remember when they first became affordable, and at that time, the same horror. And from what I've seen, that horror came to fruition, as I see younger(20s to 40s) adults sometimes struggling with simple math. EG, if the power is out, and manually handling change at a cash register. Yes, there is intelligence, but also the honing and application of the same. And calculators reduced some of that. Now enter chatgpt. Here goes the ability to hone arguments, forge essays, etc, etc. Gone! Imagine when everyone gets a brain link, I bet all long term menory will fall into ruin, too.
- adamsmith143 4y ago
  I'm not sure the analogy is the same. To me it seems more like plagiarizing an essay or copying homework answers from Chegg or something like that. You haven't gained a new skill, you've just mindlessly pasted an answer from somewhere else. You CAN certainly use tools like ChatGPT in a powerful and useful way that amplifies your own abilities instead of atrophying them. >Now enter chatgpt. Here goes the ability to hone arguments, forge essays, etc, etc. Gone! It's just not the same. If you take an essay prompt and just paste it into ChatGPT and then paste the output into your homework submission what skill exactly are you exercising or learning? There IS value in having to think about a problem and make a coherent argument in text form and you certainly lose that if you never practice it because you just let ChatGPT do it. At least with some of the current models, e.g. ChatGPT, we can't even be sure of the veracity of it's outputs so not only are you not learning any skills you can potentially output blatantly false information as well.

cik2e 4y ago

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janeway 4y ago

I am delighted to hear that children are already adopting the new tech. Sure there will be kinks for a while where no one bothers with the reading or writing assignments. But shortly that will smooth out as everyone gets on even ground. Writing those essays will become trivial and irrelevant and be replaced with more interesting tasks with the assistance of AI. I always think of Star Trek; instead of long-division math questions they will learn skills like “computer, if the trajectory of this rouge planet is reversed and we assume that is was ejected after some massive explosion, calculate the possible causes based on previously observed similar events and report the top candidate cause and confidence interval”. An example from my academic field: instead of biased, unreproducible research papers we could publish: [1] raw data, [2] hypothesis context, [3] model, [4] seed. The output result can be read based on your own AI chatbot preferences but the conclusion is consistent and reproducible.

bennysonething 4y ago
But surely the point of essay writing is to learn how to structure your thoughts into a coherent argument? If students aren't doing this, how will they learn this skill?
- justinator 4y ago
  Or just learning how to write - most people simply can't write well. It's great that people are learning how to carefully craft a Google search query to give them the results they want, but they'll never be able to write a vulnerable love letter to their wife.
  - xeyownt 4y ago
    The point then is that they won't have to anymore. However, I also think that you learn by imitation. If you have a text assignment, and that you make a sloppy job, and get a bad grade, what did you learn? But if you do the same text assignment, and improve it by iterating several prompts, then at least you learn something. Also, learning requires motivation. It's futile to compare learning methods if there is no motivation (e.g; we assume students want to cheat). If instead we assume motivation, and we lower the bar required for learning, then these students will learn more with AI than without. The only point I'm worried about is about imagination. For instance, it's easy to ask AI for example of names, stories, etc. But there is also benefit in spending time searching these things yourself. Not sure what the tradeoff will be there.

908B64B197 4y ago

> So we went to through a rewrite exercise like in the article, improving the essay and our understanding of the issues. The lesson you tought your son is far more valuable than what he could have possibly learned writing the essay as intended. AI is a tool he can use to augmentent his capabilities. But he shouldn't rely on it blindly. That's true for every technology (remember the Graphing Calculator on PowerPC Macs?). > Next time I see her, I'll urge the teacher to adopt a similar approach as in the article. Don't. This gives your son a competitive advantage over the kids who will simply turn up what the AI wrote (and get a 0) or spend too long writing their own essays.

noobermin 4y ago
Yes, this is a competitive advantage for the next...six months until the other students figure out they can do this.
smolder 4y ago
> This gives your son a competitive advantage In what competition?

bombolo 4y ago

Well when I was in school the graded essays were written in class

feoren 4y ago

Did I go into a coma and wake up into a world where wholesale cheating is celebrated? What the fuck is going on here? You're causally dropping that you're helping your son cheat? People are talking about your son having a "competitive advantage" over other students? You people sound like fucking psychopaths.