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Lincoln was also a proponent of state surveillance. He reorganized the national telegraph network to spy on journalists and experimented with the use of spy bal
by ydlr 4y ago
Lincoln was also a proponent of state surveillance. He reorganized the national telegraph network to spy on journalists and experimented with the use of spy balloons.
- notch898a 4y agoYeah well Lincoln was the OG dictator. He'd rather kill than allow free association of the states. Some people think the US died during the New Deal. No it died when Lincoln and the Supreme Court denied the right of secession. The states would have never entered the Union if it were made explicit the federal government would become what it has, and that they'd entered in a trap one way valve. If entering the Union was irrevocable it should have been spelled out when they joined rather than enforced retroactively.
- dc-programmer 4y agoHow can someone even argue the US died? It’s the only superpower in the world. Also no one really knew if a state could leave or not - it’s a question that had to be settled with violence. Might is right and all that
- rayiner 4y agoThe original notion of the US, as an association of sovereign states and a limited federal government, certainly died. Read the anti-federalist papers.
- dc-programmer 4y agoThat is only one interpretation of the founding however. You could also argue that vision died with the Articles of Confederation or the Whiskey Rebellion
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- Apocryphon 4y agoOr even Shays' Rebellion. The utopianism of the Anti-Federalists faded pretty quickly once it went up against the realities of running a newborn country.
- djur 4y agoLincoln was an elected president and opposition to secession was not just his policy but that of the elected US government. Not a dictator.
- Lammy 4y agoRelevant: https://www.nps.gov/articles/secret-symbol-of-the-lincoln-memorial.htm https://www.nps.gov/articles/secret-symbol-of-the-lincoln-me...
- jjk166 4y agoThe question of whether States could secede from the Union had been settled a generation prior to the Civil War. If that's how you define the US "dying" then it died under Andrew Jackson while many of those who made the decision to enter the Union in the first place were still very much alive.