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I would be extremely interested to find the source of Assange's idea that the prisons in Sweden are the worst in Europe. I've tried searching http://www.ipcawor

by Steer 15y ago

I would be extremely interested to find the source of Assange's idea that the prisons in Sweden are the worst in Europe. I've tried searching http://www.ipcaworldwide.org/ http://www.ipcaworldwide.org/, but perhaps my Google-skills are failing me. I'm probably not objective since I am from Sweden, but his description is very far from my perception of the Swedish judicial system. I don't agree with every verdict I read about, but I guess that would be the case in which ever country I lived in. In general it seems quite fair to me. My guess is that Assange will be cleared of all charges or worst case senteced to a conditional sentence if he ever stands trial (which will not necessarily happen even). It seem to me that he is a man of dubious moral standards regarding women (trying to have sex with someone without a condom when they explicitly wanted to use a condom), but that will generally not make you go to prison (and probably rightfully so). I'm a bit depressed that his behavior has damaged Wikileaks and their cause which is important. edit: Would appreciate a comment from people down-voting me.

zerostar07 15y ago
Kind of weird to see a Swede confusing sex with politics, especially since we're only talking about allegations. If he's found to be a rapist, fair, let's call him despicable, but until now he has held up to high standards even by endangering his life.
redthrowaway 15y ago
So, based on two unanswered, unsupported, and unproven allegations, you are willing to claim that "he is a man of dubious moral standards", and that this behaviour has hurt Wikileaks? Are you not slightly more disturbed by the clear political machinations behind the case?
- ugh 15y ago
  “… clear political machinations behind the case?” Don’t be ridiculous.
  - Helianthus 15y ago
    I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or you don't believe in the pretty damn clear political machination at play.
    - ugh 15y ago
      Are you wearing your tinfoil hat?
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- Steer 15y ago
  As I wrote; that's the way it -seem- to me. I'm convinced that he will get a fair trial in Sweden and I don't understand why it would be reasonable to think that he should not be interrogated by the Swedish police when accused of a crime (whether guilty or not). Remember that it has still not been decided if he should be tried for the crime he is accused of or not, that is why they are trying to get him extradited to Sweden. And no, I don't see any "clear political machinations" in this case, I see a horny dude who doesn't like to use a condom. I'm sorry if this is a too simple of an explanation for your taste. I could be wrong of course. If there were any political reasons for this I'm quite sure that they could have framed him for something more grave and produced obvious evidence.
  - mixonic 15y ago
    I encourage you to read the article! I'm one pg-down click through and: "The British Supreme Court will hear his extradition appeal on February 1st – but even if he wins, he will likely still remain a wanted man. Interpol has issued a so-called "red notice" for his arrest on behalf of Swedish authorities for questioning in "connection with a number of sexual offenses" – Qaddafi, accused of war crimes, earned only an "orange notice" – and the U.S. government has branded him a "high-tech terrorist," unleashing a massive and unprecedented investigation designed to depict Assange's journalism as a form of international espionage." So he's more wanted than Qaddafi. If that doesn't make you think about the political motivations behind this a bit more, I'm not sure what could. I don't know if he's a horny dude or not. Probably. But that doesn't mean his case isn't being blown far out of proportion for political cause. How many other Swedish strict-legal-definition-of-rape cases have Interpol flags out more severe than those of known repressive dictator madmen? I bet not many.
    - efraim 15y ago
      You need to look into what interpol notices mean, they don't correspond to how wanted a person is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol_notice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol_notice Assange should have turned himself over to the police in the beginning instead of leaving Sweden with such haste and refusing to be heard by the swedish police. Instead he used the political climate surrounding wikileaks as an excuse to stay away and started to paint a picture of Sweden as a third world country regarding it's legal system. It's classic stalling technique, the longer he can stay away the less the other witnesses and himself remembers.

by Steer 15y ago

zerostar07 15y ago

Kind of weird to see a Swede confusing sex with politics, especially since we're only talking about allegations. If he's found to be a rapist, fair, let's call him despicable, but until now he has held up to high standards even by endangering his life.

redthrowaway 15y ago

So, based on two unanswered, unsupported, and unproven allegations, you are willing to claim that "he is a man of dubious moral standards", and that this behaviour has hurt Wikileaks? Are you not slightly more disturbed by the clear political machinations behind the case?

ugh 15y ago
“… clear political machinations behind the case?” Don’t be ridiculous.
- Helianthus 15y ago
  I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or you don't believe in the pretty damn clear political machination at play.
  - ugh 15y ago
    Are you wearing your tinfoil hat?
- deleted 15y ago
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Steer 15y ago
As I wrote; that's the way it -seem- to me. I'm convinced that he will get a fair trial in Sweden and I don't understand why it would be reasonable to think that he should not be interrogated by the Swedish police when accused of a crime (whether guilty or not). Remember that it has still not been decided if he should be tried for the crime he is accused of or not, that is why they are trying to get him extradited to Sweden. And no, I don't see any "clear political machinations" in this case, I see a horny dude who doesn't like to use a condom. I'm sorry if this is a too simple of an explanation for your taste. I could be wrong of course. If there were any political reasons for this I'm quite sure that they could have framed him for something more grave and produced obvious evidence.
- mixonic 15y ago
  I encourage you to read the article! I'm one pg-down click through and: "The British Supreme Court will hear his extradition appeal on February 1st – but even if he wins, he will likely still remain a wanted man. Interpol has issued a so-called "red notice" for his arrest on behalf of Swedish authorities for questioning in "connection with a number of sexual offenses" – Qaddafi, accused of war crimes, earned only an "orange notice" – and the U.S. government has branded him a "high-tech terrorist," unleashing a massive and unprecedented investigation designed to depict Assange's journalism as a form of international espionage." So he's more wanted than Qaddafi. If that doesn't make you think about the political motivations behind this a bit more, I'm not sure what could. I don't know if he's a horny dude or not. Probably. But that doesn't mean his case isn't being blown far out of proportion for political cause. How many other Swedish strict-legal-definition-of-rape cases have Interpol flags out more severe than those of known repressive dictator madmen? I bet not many.
  - efraim 15y ago
    You need to look into what interpol notices mean, they don't correspond to how wanted a person is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol_notice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol_notice Assange should have turned himself over to the police in the beginning instead of leaving Sweden with such haste and refusing to be heard by the swedish police. Instead he used the political climate surrounding wikileaks as an excuse to stay away and started to paint a picture of Sweden as a third world country regarding it's legal system. It's classic stalling technique, the longer he can stay away the less the other witnesses and himself remembers.