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>Additional analyses indicated that being free of the bias blind spot does not help a person avoid the actual classic cognitive biases. This is the worst part.

>Additional analyses indicated that being free of the bias blind spot does not help a person avoid the actual classic cognitive biases. This is the worst part. Being fully aware that people are biased and that you are not a special exception to that isn't helpful. You're still just as likely to let bias influence your actions, and you'll probably try to justify yourself as having good reasons for your biased actions.

yamrzou 4y ago
That's why we need feedback from others. “A system cannot understand itself without help from outside the system, because prior experiences will bias objectivity, preventing critical analysis of the organization.” — Edward Deming
- luckylion 4y ago
  How often can you get feedback from someone until they've become part of your system and are no longer an outsider?
  - Byamarro 4y ago
    This is such a valid point. I've experienced it myself. When you're on a team, after some time team members start developing shared biases. It's enough that some previous discussion was railroaded certain way to make it harder for the team members to think outside of the box shaped by previous conversations.
- aatd86 4y ago
  Until you realize that part of you is a black box to others and only you have access to some of your internal state. So, yes and no. That's why self awareness, perhaps via proper meditation, although I thought it was some hippy shit at first, is actually valuable.
yodsanklai 4y ago
> You're still just as likely to let bias influence your actions, and you'll probably try to justify yourself as having good reasons for your biased actions. I really don't think everybody is equally biased. Some people at least try to use reason and science to guide their beliefs, why other will systematically deny all evidences. Also people who are aware of biases are more likely to recognize their errors when called out with logical arguments.
- SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
  I’m a little confused by this because I don’t know if it’s possible to measure biases and proclaim that someone is more biased than the other. One of the things that comes to mind is that one person may have weakly held or strongly held bias (maybe differentiating being biased to being bigoted?). How do you compare multiple weakly held biases vs one very strongly held one? How do you count biases when you yourself are also biased and therefore will very likely undercount any biases aligning with your own?
- naasking 4y ago
  > why other will systematically deny all evidences Sure, but they also do so for specific reasons, like that considering evidence failed them in the past in some significant way. Possibly they just didn't do it right, but it's just incorrect to think people are the way they are for no logical reason.
  - tired-turtle 4y ago
    A specific reason is not a logical reason; sure, the decision ‘made sense’ to that person at the time, but it’s irrational within the broader schema of life. (I think that’s what you meant?)
    - naasking 4y ago
      It might be "irrational" in some sense with unbounded knowledge, but we only have bounded knowledge. I'm not sure using the former as a definition of "rationality" is useful. Rationality should be a sort of preferential ordering of choices according to one's bounded knowledge.

yamrzou 4y ago

That's why we need feedback from others. “A system cannot understand itself without help from outside the system, because prior experiences will bias objectivity, preventing critical analysis of the organization.” — Edward Deming

luckylion 4y ago
How often can you get feedback from someone until they've become part of your system and are no longer an outsider?
- Byamarro 4y ago
  This is such a valid point. I've experienced it myself. When you're on a team, after some time team members start developing shared biases. It's enough that some previous discussion was railroaded certain way to make it harder for the team members to think outside of the box shaped by previous conversations.
aatd86 4y ago
Until you realize that part of you is a black box to others and only you have access to some of your internal state. So, yes and no. That's why self awareness, perhaps via proper meditation, although I thought it was some hippy shit at first, is actually valuable.

yodsanklai 4y ago

> You're still just as likely to let bias influence your actions, and you'll probably try to justify yourself as having good reasons for your biased actions. I really don't think everybody is equally biased. Some people at least try to use reason and science to guide their beliefs, why other will systematically deny all evidences. Also people who are aware of biases are more likely to recognize their errors when called out with logical arguments.

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
I’m a little confused by this because I don’t know if it’s possible to measure biases and proclaim that someone is more biased than the other. One of the things that comes to mind is that one person may have weakly held or strongly held bias (maybe differentiating being biased to being bigoted?). How do you compare multiple weakly held biases vs one very strongly held one? How do you count biases when you yourself are also biased and therefore will very likely undercount any biases aligning with your own?
naasking 4y ago
> why other will systematically deny all evidences Sure, but they also do so for specific reasons, like that considering evidence failed them in the past in some significant way. Possibly they just didn't do it right, but it's just incorrect to think people are the way they are for no logical reason.
- tired-turtle 4y ago
  A specific reason is not a logical reason; sure, the decision ‘made sense’ to that person at the time, but it’s irrational within the broader schema of life. (I think that’s what you meant?)
  - naasking 4y ago
    It might be "irrational" in some sense with unbounded knowledge, but we only have bounded knowledge. I'm not sure using the former as a definition of "rationality" is useful. Rationality should be a sort of preferential ordering of choices according to one's bounded knowledge.