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Unfortunately Nazi and/or extremist right-wing ideologies are a staple in militaristic organisations. But you should acknowledge that the Azov Brigade, an argua

Unfortunately Nazi and/or extremist right-wing ideologies are a staple in militaristic organisations. But you should acknowledge that the Azov Brigade, an arguably Nazi-infatuated militia is broadly following orders from a Jewish president. That should tell you something about how welcomed the Russian Invasion is in the Ukraine.

Gud 4y ago
No they are not. Have you ever served in a military unit?
- kataklasm 4y ago
  You're right in that I should've clarified I'm somewhat projecting from the state of the military and law enforcement in Germany. In recent years multiple special operations teams have been dissolved [0][1] due to extremist right-wing ideologies which have been known to exist for years but only after multiple journalistic publications these groups have been dissolved. There's also a history of Nazi and radical right-wing stuff in the regular army. [2][3] Federal Police and the Intelligence Community aren't excluded from this either, especially the intelligence service belonging to the Bundeswehr, the Military Counterintelligence Service MAD. [4] And while I don't have any evidence at hand for this right now and thus it can be dismissed as irrelevant, I have a hunch that it may not be all to different in the various military and law enforcement agencies around Europe. [0] https://www.dw.com/en/ksk-german-special-forces-company-dissolved-due-to-far-right-concerns/a-54386661 https://www.dw.com/en/ksk-german-special-forces-company-diss... [1] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-frankfurt-police-unit-to-be-disbanded-over-far-right-chats/a-57840014 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-frankfurt-police-unit-to-be-di... [2] https://www.npr.org/2022/12/11/1142141125/the-rise-of-extremism-in-germanys-military https://www.npr.org/2022/12/11/1142141125/the-rise-of-extrem... [3] https://www.economist.com/1843/2022/10/21/how-right-wing-extremists-infiltrated-germanys-armed-forces https://www.economist.com/1843/2022/10/21/how-right-wing-ext... [4] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-logs-rise-in-right-wing-extremist-cases-in-security-agencies/a-61787235 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-logs-rise-in-right-wing-extrem...
fromseashore 4y ago
"Jewish president.." I am a jew myself. So? You bought this Zelensky, and now the ukranian nazis are kosher? Since they are murdering Russians, and not Jews, as they did in the past?
- kataklasm 4y ago
  Don't twist my words, that's not what I said. Read again. My point was never that Nazis killing Russian invaders is a morally good thing, but that a military brigade with a higher than normal Nazi-percentage is following orders from a jewish president and is killing other Nazi types in the form of Wagner Group. Nazis are bad one way or another. But that they are going against their own sentiments should be food for thought for you. But I know you're not here to argue for real, so why do I bother.
  - fromseashore 4y ago
    "Nazis killing Russian invaders.." I am talking about Russians who live in Ukraine! They get murdered! Actually, there are very many of them, but for you these people do not exist. They don't have a right for their own identity, according to the west.
    - kataklasm 4y ago
      Hitchens's razor: "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."
      - fromseashore 4y ago
        which "evidence"? The one published by you? Or the fact that there were Russian people murdered in Izyum and Kupyansk after ukranians entered there, and for which they proudly posted the pictures of murdered " Russian collaboratirs" on social networks? Or the fact that they dispersed multiple times anti infantry mines inside Donetsk? That they often shell Donetsk living quarters and center just because these are "russians* (in the past they blamed the Russian army for that, but Donetsk people know better). Go to their telegram channels, and read how they speak about killing Russians, because they are Russians. " Rizat rusnyu".. And before you tell me this is s because if the war, I will remind yoi about the massacre in the trade union house in Odessa, none of the perpetrators punished, and about what was going on in Donbass since 2014. You are just being fed one part of what happens, and also this in a heavily censored form.

Gud 4y ago

No they are not. Have you ever served in a military unit?

kataklasm 4y ago
You're right in that I should've clarified I'm somewhat projecting from the state of the military and law enforcement in Germany. In recent years multiple special operations teams have been dissolved [0][1] due to extremist right-wing ideologies which have been known to exist for years but only after multiple journalistic publications these groups have been dissolved. There's also a history of Nazi and radical right-wing stuff in the regular army. [2][3] Federal Police and the Intelligence Community aren't excluded from this either, especially the intelligence service belonging to the Bundeswehr, the Military Counterintelligence Service MAD. [4] And while I don't have any evidence at hand for this right now and thus it can be dismissed as irrelevant, I have a hunch that it may not be all to different in the various military and law enforcement agencies around Europe. [0] https://www.dw.com/en/ksk-german-special-forces-company-dissolved-due-to-far-right-concerns/a-54386661 https://www.dw.com/en/ksk-german-special-forces-company-diss... [1] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-frankfurt-police-unit-to-be-disbanded-over-far-right-chats/a-57840014 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-frankfurt-police-unit-to-be-di... [2] https://www.npr.org/2022/12/11/1142141125/the-rise-of-extremism-in-germanys-military https://www.npr.org/2022/12/11/1142141125/the-rise-of-extrem... [3] https://www.economist.com/1843/2022/10/21/how-right-wing-extremists-infiltrated-germanys-armed-forces https://www.economist.com/1843/2022/10/21/how-right-wing-ext... [4] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-logs-rise-in-right-wing-extremist-cases-in-security-agencies/a-61787235 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-logs-rise-in-right-wing-extrem...

fromseashore 4y ago

"Jewish president.." I am a jew myself. So? You bought this Zelensky, and now the ukranian nazis are kosher? Since they are murdering Russians, and not Jews, as they did in the past?

kataklasm 4y ago
Don't twist my words, that's not what I said. Read again. My point was never that Nazis killing Russian invaders is a morally good thing, but that a military brigade with a higher than normal Nazi-percentage is following orders from a jewish president and is killing other Nazi types in the form of Wagner Group. Nazis are bad one way or another. But that they are going against their own sentiments should be food for thought for you. But I know you're not here to argue for real, so why do I bother.
- fromseashore 4y ago
  "Nazis killing Russian invaders.." I am talking about Russians who live in Ukraine! They get murdered! Actually, there are very many of them, but for you these people do not exist. They don't have a right for their own identity, according to the west.
  - kataklasm 4y ago
    Hitchens's razor: "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."
    - fromseashore 4y ago
      which "evidence"? The one published by you? Or the fact that there were Russian people murdered in Izyum and Kupyansk after ukranians entered there, and for which they proudly posted the pictures of murdered " Russian collaboratirs" on social networks? Or the fact that they dispersed multiple times anti infantry mines inside Donetsk? That they often shell Donetsk living quarters and center just because these are "russians* (in the past they blamed the Russian army for that, but Donetsk people know better). Go to their telegram channels, and read how they speak about killing Russians, because they are Russians. " Rizat rusnyu".. And before you tell me this is s because if the war, I will remind yoi about the massacre in the trade union house in Odessa, none of the perpetrators punished, and about what was going on in Donbass since 2014. You are just being fed one part of what happens, and also this in a heavily censored form.