4 ms·

> "The reality is that everyone runs from the police nowadays." Since when? This should be a bigger story than the availability of GPS tracking darts.

by pdog 4y ago

foolfoolz 4y ago
this article is full of claims in need of data such as this one. > These darts have been used successfully, nationwide, 10,000 times – meaning 10,000 wanted or accused criminals have been taken off the streets. every single use of the dart was for a criminal? a 100% conviction rate? also > The most important thing about StarChase is every tag saves a life” every police chase involves a death?
- VectorLock 4y ago
  Definitely marketing hyberbole but if they need to use the tag dart, presumably it is someone who is fleeing from the police, so they are _at least_ guilty of eluding, with probably a very high conviction rate for at least that offense, if they go to trial.
  - olliej 4y ago
    Never run from the police, because they never kill people who are cooperating?
    - xyzelement 4y ago
      Ok... What are the cases where running from the police is the preferable strategy?
      - computerfriend 4y ago
        When you get away.
      - olliej 4y ago
        You're driving home with your girlfriend and daughter and a police officer pulls you over. You are licensed to carry a gun, and you have your gun in your car. If you drive off you're evading police, and guilty of a crime, and if you don't you get this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile. I am not saying "you should always run from the cops". What I'm saying is that "there's nothing to fear from cooperating with the police after not committing a crime" is also not true. The police are responsible for creating an environment in which a sizable portion of the population have a very real fear that any interaction may result in harm or death whether or not you did anything wrong, and so the decision to run may seem "wrong" but it is not unreasonable.
      - ashwagary 4y ago
        It's against policy for police officers to chase 2 and 3 wheel vehicles because of the high risk of fatality.
  - lost_tourist 4y ago
    All they had to do is say "could save a life" and it would have been a lot more effective because it would be hard to criticize
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- zeagle 4y ago
  This reads like a sponsored story to advertise the tracking dart product. I looked through the page a couple times for a disclosure but didn't see one.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  > every single use of the dart was for a criminal? a 100% conviction rate? Maybe uses where that wasn't the case just don't count as "successful".
sshine 4y ago
I always run from the police. 60% of the time, it works every time. (Edit: This is humour. I don’t always run from the police. I mostly run when they have no reason to chase, because you can always act really confused and be unsure why they were chasing you, arguing you were just late for a meeting.)
- xeromal 4y ago
  I've never really "run" from the police but I've definitely taken a sharp turn onto a side road when I think a cop is going to chase me after I was speeding. lol
woodruffw 4y ago
Since never. It's one of those classic "say something ridiculous about the public so you can justify mistreating them" cases.
js2 4y ago
Back in my younger years, I was stopped at a light when a guy pulled up next to me and revved his engine, an invitation to drag to the next light. I revved my engine back. Light turns green, we race to the next light. I see a cop put on their lights behind us. Now we're both stopped at the light with the cop coming up behind us. I'm on the inside lane. The guy next to me decided he's going to try to run from the cop and makes a right turn. Cop pulls up beside me, shouts at me "pull around the corner and wait for me" then goes off after the other guy. So I pulled around the corner and waited for her. She did manage to catch the other guy down the street. About 15 minutes later she comes over to me and says: "I can't believe you did what I asked. I had your plate and would've tracked you down. Don't let me catch you drag racing again. I'm letting you go with a warning."
- emodendroket 4y ago
  Yeah that would be pretty effective unless the person being pursued had removed the plates or something.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  If she'd have tracked you down the prosecutor would have then had to prove it was you in the driver's seat for any sort of moving violation to stick. In an age before ubiquitous 4k surveillance this would have been a tall order.
  - xeromal 4y ago
    Sounds like a lot of extra work instead of facing the consequence you brought upon yourself by drag racing.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - js2 4y ago
    In my experience, and I used to get pulled over a lot, being courteous and respectful to an officer is sufficient to avoid a speeding citation with 50% success rate.
technofiend 4y ago
>The reality is that everyone runs from the police nowadays. I think the reality is they have something to sell and are happy to deploy some over the top rhetoric to try. Unfortunately police are inundated with this kind of language building the image that police work is full of action and danger when in fact it's more dangerous to be a pizza delivery driver.

> "The reality is that everyone runs from the police nowadays." Since when? This should be a bigger story than the availability of GPS tracking darts.

by pdog 4y ago

> "The reality is that everyone runs from the police nowadays." Since when? This should be a bigger story than the availability of GPS tracking darts.

foolfoolz 4y ago

this article is full of claims in need of data such as this one. > These darts have been used successfully, nationwide, 10,000 times – meaning 10,000 wanted or accused criminals have been taken off the streets. every single use of the dart was for a criminal? a 100% conviction rate? also > The most important thing about StarChase is every tag saves a life” every police chase involves a death?

VectorLock 4y ago
Definitely marketing hyberbole but if they need to use the tag dart, presumably it is someone who is fleeing from the police, so they are _at least_ guilty of eluding, with probably a very high conviction rate for at least that offense, if they go to trial.
- olliej 4y ago
  Never run from the police, because they never kill people who are cooperating?
  - xyzelement 4y ago
    Ok... What are the cases where running from the police is the preferable strategy?
    - computerfriend 4y ago
      When you get away.
    - olliej 4y ago
      You're driving home with your girlfriend and daughter and a police officer pulls you over. You are licensed to carry a gun, and you have your gun in your car. If you drive off you're evading police, and guilty of a crime, and if you don't you get this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile. I am not saying "you should always run from the cops". What I'm saying is that "there's nothing to fear from cooperating with the police after not committing a crime" is also not true. The police are responsible for creating an environment in which a sizable portion of the population have a very real fear that any interaction may result in harm or death whether or not you did anything wrong, and so the decision to run may seem "wrong" but it is not unreasonable.
    - ashwagary 4y ago
      It's against policy for police officers to chase 2 and 3 wheel vehicles because of the high risk of fatality.
- lost_tourist 4y ago
  All they had to do is say "could save a life" and it would have been a lot more effective because it would be hard to criticize
deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
zeagle 4y ago
This reads like a sponsored story to advertise the tracking dart product. I looked through the page a couple times for a disclosure but didn't see one.
josephcsible 4y ago
> every single use of the dart was for a criminal? a 100% conviction rate? Maybe uses where that wasn't the case just don't count as "successful".

sshine 4y ago

I always run from the police. 60% of the time, it works every time. (Edit: This is humour. I don’t always run from the police. I mostly run when they have no reason to chase, because you can always act really confused and be unsure why they were chasing you, arguing you were just late for a meeting.)

xeromal 4y ago
I've never really "run" from the police but I've definitely taken a sharp turn onto a side road when I think a cop is going to chase me after I was speeding. lol

woodruffw 4y ago

Since never. It's one of those classic "say something ridiculous about the public so you can justify mistreating them" cases.

js2 4y ago

Back in my younger years, I was stopped at a light when a guy pulled up next to me and revved his engine, an invitation to drag to the next light. I revved my engine back. Light turns green, we race to the next light. I see a cop put on their lights behind us. Now we're both stopped at the light with the cop coming up behind us. I'm on the inside lane. The guy next to me decided he's going to try to run from the cop and makes a right turn. Cop pulls up beside me, shouts at me "pull around the corner and wait for me" then goes off after the other guy. So I pulled around the corner and waited for her. She did manage to catch the other guy down the street. About 15 minutes later she comes over to me and says: "I can't believe you did what I asked. I had your plate and would've tracked you down. Don't let me catch you drag racing again. I'm letting you go with a warning."

emodendroket 4y ago
Yeah that would be pretty effective unless the person being pursued had removed the plates or something.
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
If she'd have tracked you down the prosecutor would have then had to prove it was you in the driver's seat for any sort of moving violation to stick. In an age before ubiquitous 4k surveillance this would have been a tall order.
- xeromal 4y ago
  Sounds like a lot of extra work instead of facing the consequence you brought upon yourself by drag racing.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- js2 4y ago
  In my experience, and I used to get pulled over a lot, being courteous and respectful to an officer is sufficient to avoid a speeding citation with 50% success rate.

technofiend 4y ago

>The reality is that everyone runs from the police nowadays. I think the reality is they have something to sell and are happy to deploy some over the top rhetoric to try. Unfortunately police are inundated with this kind of language building the image that police work is full of action and danger when in fact it's more dangerous to be a pizza delivery driver.