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Bing chat never made sense as a product. It could be a really funny game/playground if developed correctly. But a let's-finish-your-sentence game is not a good

Bing chat never made sense as a product. It could be a really funny game/playground if developed correctly. But a let's-finish-your-sentence game is not a good tool. Everybody though that Google was behind and failing when their problem was to understand how far of being a production product this kind of chats are.

akira2501 4y ago
It doesn't seem like a product. The conspiracist in me sees this as pure propaganda. Particularly pieces like this and other outlandish stories such as the Blake Lemoine episode. The primary purpose seems to be to overstate the capabilities of these relatively incapable language models in order to manipulate investors and in particular to interfere with specific segments of the labor market in order to suppress salaries. Otherwise, I've been seriously struggling to understand what value these easily broken and lying _chatbots_ would have.
- hourago 4y ago
  > The conspiracist in me sees this as pure propaganda. It is not a hidden fact that CEOs wants to hype companies to increase share value. That is the basics of 2023 economy, hype over results.
  - akira2501 4y ago
    There's a wide difference between hyping something you believe has value, and hyping something you _know_ doesn't.
asdff 4y ago
If Microsoft wants to sell this crap, they need to actually tell people how they use it. Imagine if they had some big 10 minute ad of "here's how we use bing ai at microsoft" where its just all the internal business use cases they have for chatgpt that could be generalize able to any other business. Unless they don't use it at all internally of course, which would be embarrassing.
basch 4y ago
People just aren’t used to using it right yet. The way it can synthesize sources and simulates reasoning, is unprecedented, compared to keyword search. Queries can be 2000 words. I had a 7 response back and forth with it today trying to establish the American Liberal English equivalent of “I am a Patriot” from American Conservative English. Each of my responses was why I disagreed with its results and what it could do better. Being able to type five sentences in a row, before submitting anything, and get a coherent cited response is utterly unlike googling some words and opening the top 10 results hunting for something.
- hourago 4y ago
  > Queries can be 2000 words. That is why Bing is the wrong product to integrate it with. Most Google users will not look after the first 10 results because reading so much gets tiresome. They are never going to write 2000 words to try to get the information that they want when they are not willing to read 100 words. > I disagreed with its results and what it could do better. That is the problem. You know the answer and are looking for a question to get it. That is the opposite of what a search engine is. It can be a great tech for makes no sense as a search engine.
  - basch 4y ago
    I did not know the answer. We sort of settled upon there not being a great counterpart. I ended up with a 500 word query because of the question limit. I initially asked it a question with 4 follow ups. After pressing new topic, I rephrased all my previous query as one request, and it handled my previous questions in one response.
- TomSwirly 4y ago
  > The way it can synthesize sources and simulates reasoning, is unprecedented, compared to keyword search. Simulating reasoning is only an impressive trick if you are accurate. ELIZA "simulated reasoning" - but it's just a pattern matcher. Now this bot completes sentences based on sentences that other people have emitted in the past. > get a coherent cited response It would much more interesting if it were an accurate response.
yieldcrv 4y ago
and Apple will just wait till 2027 after the dust settles and present their LLM as new and magical, with a pretty refined user experience

akira2501 4y ago

It doesn't seem like a product. The conspiracist in me sees this as pure propaganda. Particularly pieces like this and other outlandish stories such as the Blake Lemoine episode. The primary purpose seems to be to overstate the capabilities of these relatively incapable language models in order to manipulate investors and in particular to interfere with specific segments of the labor market in order to suppress salaries. Otherwise, I've been seriously struggling to understand what value these easily broken and lying _chatbots_ would have.

hourago 4y ago
> The conspiracist in me sees this as pure propaganda. It is not a hidden fact that CEOs wants to hype companies to increase share value. That is the basics of 2023 economy, hype over results.
- akira2501 4y ago
  There's a wide difference between hyping something you believe has value, and hyping something you _know_ doesn't.

asdff 4y ago

If Microsoft wants to sell this crap, they need to actually tell people how they use it. Imagine if they had some big 10 minute ad of "here's how we use bing ai at microsoft" where its just all the internal business use cases they have for chatgpt that could be generalize able to any other business. Unless they don't use it at all internally of course, which would be embarrassing.

basch 4y ago

People just aren’t used to using it right yet. The way it can synthesize sources and simulates reasoning, is unprecedented, compared to keyword search. Queries can be 2000 words. I had a 7 response back and forth with it today trying to establish the American Liberal English equivalent of “I am a Patriot” from American Conservative English. Each of my responses was why I disagreed with its results and what it could do better. Being able to type five sentences in a row, before submitting anything, and get a coherent cited response is utterly unlike googling some words and opening the top 10 results hunting for something.

hourago 4y ago
> Queries can be 2000 words. That is why Bing is the wrong product to integrate it with. Most Google users will not look after the first 10 results because reading so much gets tiresome. They are never going to write 2000 words to try to get the information that they want when they are not willing to read 100 words. > I disagreed with its results and what it could do better. That is the problem. You know the answer and are looking for a question to get it. That is the opposite of what a search engine is. It can be a great tech for makes no sense as a search engine.
- basch 4y ago
  I did not know the answer. We sort of settled upon there not being a great counterpart. I ended up with a 500 word query because of the question limit. I initially asked it a question with 4 follow ups. After pressing new topic, I rephrased all my previous query as one request, and it handled my previous questions in one response.
TomSwirly 4y ago
> The way it can synthesize sources and simulates reasoning, is unprecedented, compared to keyword search. Simulating reasoning is only an impressive trick if you are accurate. ELIZA "simulated reasoning" - but it's just a pattern matcher. Now this bot completes sentences based on sentences that other people have emitted in the past. > get a coherent cited response It would much more interesting if it were an accurate response.

yieldcrv 4y ago

and Apple will just wait till 2027 after the dust settles and present their LLM as new and magical, with a pretty refined user experience