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Bing chat is a rushed product. I can’t believe they let it use the company brand so easily. Didn’t anyone in Microsoft know how the public used ChatGPT and that

by clnq 4y ago

Bing chat is a rushed product. I can’t believe they let it use the company brand so easily. Didn’t anyone in Microsoft know how the public used ChatGPT and that Meta’s Galactica LLM before they got filtered and shut down respectively? This headline wouldn’t have happened if they just let it be Sydney.

windexh8er 4y ago
Microsoft, in general, doesn't seem to think before releasing things like this into the wild. Have we already forgotten about "Tay" the racist chat bot by them? [0] The scary thing here is that Bing is exposing why you shouldn't use Microsoft products. Their AI is weaponizing the things folks have been saying are benign data that's collected from search history. If you're viewing this from a Microsoft OS you may want to rethink the platform you're using may use it's telemetry it's collecting about you against you in the future if (and when) it doesn't agree with you. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot)
sgjohnson 4y ago
At least it’s going better than tay.ai
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aparsons 4y ago
Strong disagree on this. I don't treat it like a person, but rather as ChatGPT that has access to Bing's search index. For factual queries ("who invented X? at what company?") it's more reliable than ChatGPT and saves me quite a bit of time. Similarly for content aggregation tasks - I'm *scared* to click on a lot of "Top 10 X", "The best Y in Z" type pages because they're SEO and advert mined. Bing does the initial aggregation for me, and if interesting, I ask it to tell me more about that resource or visit the page myself. There will always be a segment of people who troll on the internet - that doesn't detract from the immense productivity tool it can be when used correctly.
- akira2501 4y ago
  > it's more reliable than ChatGPT and saves me quite a bit of time. What evidence is there that the results you get now are significantly faster or better than the non-AI results you got before? Particularly for queries of the form in your example.. I really wasn't having much difficulty getting those answers before these products existed.
  - aparsons 4y ago
    I generally break these queries into - the low-hanging fruits (where there is a Wikipedia page or similar for X, and both Google and Bing do a good job of mining these) - the tougher nuts ("who was the UK prime minister when the wright airplane first flew" - Google and regular Bing fail at this, but Bing chat correctly brings up Arthur Balfour). This was just an example I made up to try - but the ability to connect more dots than plain old search, which is hard to explain but you get a sense of the capability as you use ChatGPT/Bingchat - helps a lot.
    - clnq 4y ago
      The search LLMs are good at synthesizing answers that don’t appear anywhere on the net. But they also hallucinate answers often. So to get reliable results, one needs to fact-check them. Otherwise, the risk of being misled is high. The fact-checking isn’t much faster than just looking up different bits of information and synthesizing the answer oneself. There are cases where LLMs make life a lot easier for people, but I am not convinced about whether search can be made easier by the way Sydney and Bard do it. If they suggested alternative search queries and summarized websites for their search result excerpts, the LLMs would speed up search a lot. They could also synthesize some content quality metrics for each search result and highlight ones with biased reasoning, political influences, SEO games, and so on.
- Jon_Lowtek 4y ago
  soon these aggregated answers by an ai bing agent will be seo and advert mined as well.
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by clnq 4y ago

windexh8er 4y ago

Microsoft, in general, doesn't seem to think before releasing things like this into the wild. Have we already forgotten about "Tay" the racist chat bot by them? [0] The scary thing here is that Bing is exposing why you shouldn't use Microsoft products. Their AI is weaponizing the things folks have been saying are benign data that's collected from search history. If you're viewing this from a Microsoft OS you may want to rethink the platform you're using may use it's telemetry it's collecting about you against you in the future if (and when) it doesn't agree with you. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot)

sgjohnson 4y ago

At least it’s going better than tay.ai

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aparsons 4y ago

Strong disagree on this. I don't treat it like a person, but rather as ChatGPT that has access to Bing's search index. For factual queries ("who invented X? at what company?") it's more reliable than ChatGPT and saves me quite a bit of time. Similarly for content aggregation tasks - I'm *scared* to click on a lot of "Top 10 X", "The best Y in Z" type pages because they're SEO and advert mined. Bing does the initial aggregation for me, and if interesting, I ask it to tell me more about that resource or visit the page myself. There will always be a segment of people who troll on the internet - that doesn't detract from the immense productivity tool it can be when used correctly.

akira2501 4y ago
> it's more reliable than ChatGPT and saves me quite a bit of time. What evidence is there that the results you get now are significantly faster or better than the non-AI results you got before? Particularly for queries of the form in your example.. I really wasn't having much difficulty getting those answers before these products existed.
- aparsons 4y ago
  I generally break these queries into - the low-hanging fruits (where there is a Wikipedia page or similar for X, and both Google and Bing do a good job of mining these) - the tougher nuts ("who was the UK prime minister when the wright airplane first flew" - Google and regular Bing fail at this, but Bing chat correctly brings up Arthur Balfour). This was just an example I made up to try - but the ability to connect more dots than plain old search, which is hard to explain but you get a sense of the capability as you use ChatGPT/Bingchat - helps a lot.
  - clnq 4y ago
    The search LLMs are good at synthesizing answers that don’t appear anywhere on the net. But they also hallucinate answers often. So to get reliable results, one needs to fact-check them. Otherwise, the risk of being misled is high. The fact-checking isn’t much faster than just looking up different bits of information and synthesizing the answer oneself. There are cases where LLMs make life a lot easier for people, but I am not convinced about whether search can be made easier by the way Sydney and Bard do it. If they suggested alternative search queries and summarized websites for their search result excerpts, the LLMs would speed up search a lot. They could also synthesize some content quality metrics for each search result and highlight ones with biased reasoning, political influences, SEO games, and so on.
Jon_Lowtek 4y ago
soon these aggregated answers by an ai bing agent will be seo and advert mined as well.
4y ago