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If you need the original two comments paraphrased without the hyperbolics: "This example shows that trans people are so powerful that even if you're saying som

If you need the original two comments paraphrased without the hyperbolics: "This example shows that trans people are so powerful that even if you're saying something relatively harmless (the specific joke) on a niche platform (the specific Twitch channel) they will punish you for that." "That's not true. There are major media companies amplifying far more hateful voices with no consequences. Politicians whom are famously dependent on populism, have actually experienced positive outcomes from attacking that group of people."

mindslight 4y ago
There's a difference between a group being a protected class, and being powerful on its own. So your first paraphrasing isn't accurate. The "they" doing the punishing is actually corporate bureaucrats hyper-sensitive to what they perceive might be controversial, in the service of advertising revenue. They and those with ad money are the ones with the power. I'll agree OP did start to step over the line when they said "the" caste - there are many different protected classes, across different contexts.
- space_fountain 4y ago
  I think if what you meant was to critique how the left tries to protect the victims of society using the word sacred caste was let’s say a very poor choice because imo my reading just comes much more naturally
  - mindslight 4y ago
    Of course your reading comes easier! Each political team captures political energy with specific critiques. Then the opposing team considers those critiques as the territory of the other, turns on their rationalization and cognitive dissonance, and avoids considering them on their merits. It does take work to go against that dynamic. You should do that work, despite it being harder than knee jerk dismissal. It's the only way to tame this partisan fueled polarization.
    - space_fountain 4y ago
      Look I think the term dog whistle is over applied, but somehow this seems like the opposite to me, you’re doing a lot of work to turn what on its surface seems a pretty inflammatory statement into something gentle and nice. Yes there is as I said maybe a valid criticism to be had arguing that the left is engaged in a sort of affirmative action for ideas trying to counter the larger societal situation by overcompensating in the places they have some control over, but that isn’t the reading that comes naturally with the phrase “sacred caste”. At the very least sacred caste embeds a value judgement, but also the sacred caste really ought to have some extra power you know and it implies they need taken down a bit. Like if you didn’t think that there are plenty of better words that could have been used. It’s also notable that op didn’t choose to clarify themselves (assuming you aren’t op). What I will grant you is that, trying to maximize my empathy, op might agree that trans people are far from all powerful and perhaps even the stronger position that I was really getting at which is that overall across society they have less power than cis people, but I think they would have to reach for that empathy and they aren’t in the above comment and as I mentioned there are plenty of people making very similar statements who clearly mean something a lot stronger and I also suspect they did too. This is the only post by op I could find when I quickly looked at their page. It feels like they knew this had the potential to be inflammatory, posted it, and now your acting put upon that that it was taken in an inflammatory light.
- DoctorOW 4y ago
  Look back at the counter example... Fox isn't dependent on ad revenue?
  - mindslight 4y ago
    I didn't assert that Fox isn't dependent on ad revenue, nor that people who have/administer ad money are uniformly in support of trans people. Do you have a larger point? I don't really see what your replies are getting at.

mindslight 4y ago

There's a difference between a group being a protected class, and being powerful on its own. So your first paraphrasing isn't accurate. The "they" doing the punishing is actually corporate bureaucrats hyper-sensitive to what they perceive might be controversial, in the service of advertising revenue. They and those with ad money are the ones with the power. I'll agree OP did start to step over the line when they said "the" caste - there are many different protected classes, across different contexts.

space_fountain 4y ago
I think if what you meant was to critique how the left tries to protect the victims of society using the word sacred caste was let’s say a very poor choice because imo my reading just comes much more naturally
- mindslight 4y ago
  Of course your reading comes easier! Each political team captures political energy with specific critiques. Then the opposing team considers those critiques as the territory of the other, turns on their rationalization and cognitive dissonance, and avoids considering them on their merits. It does take work to go against that dynamic. You should do that work, despite it being harder than knee jerk dismissal. It's the only way to tame this partisan fueled polarization.
  - space_fountain 4y ago
    Look I think the term dog whistle is over applied, but somehow this seems like the opposite to me, you’re doing a lot of work to turn what on its surface seems a pretty inflammatory statement into something gentle and nice. Yes there is as I said maybe a valid criticism to be had arguing that the left is engaged in a sort of affirmative action for ideas trying to counter the larger societal situation by overcompensating in the places they have some control over, but that isn’t the reading that comes naturally with the phrase “sacred caste”. At the very least sacred caste embeds a value judgement, but also the sacred caste really ought to have some extra power you know and it implies they need taken down a bit. Like if you didn’t think that there are plenty of better words that could have been used. It’s also notable that op didn’t choose to clarify themselves (assuming you aren’t op). What I will grant you is that, trying to maximize my empathy, op might agree that trans people are far from all powerful and perhaps even the stronger position that I was really getting at which is that overall across society they have less power than cis people, but I think they would have to reach for that empathy and they aren’t in the above comment and as I mentioned there are plenty of people making very similar statements who clearly mean something a lot stronger and I also suspect they did too. This is the only post by op I could find when I quickly looked at their page. It feels like they knew this had the potential to be inflammatory, posted it, and now your acting put upon that that it was taken in an inflammatory light.
DoctorOW 4y ago
Look back at the counter example... Fox isn't dependent on ad revenue?
- mindslight 4y ago
  I didn't assert that Fox isn't dependent on ad revenue, nor that people who have/administer ad money are uniformly in support of trans people. Do you have a larger point? I don't really see what your replies are getting at.