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Also as a New Zealander - I think the opposite - EU criticism of the US really misses many points about the competitiveness of their society and burden they bea

Also as a New Zealander - I think the opposite - EU criticism of the US really misses many points about the competitiveness of their society and burden they bear protecting the rest of the world's democracies. I think it is really about people's personal politics - Kiwis generally are much more aligned (left) with EU socialism/interventionism and hence relate more and see US criticism as baseless. It's all a matter of perspective & personal politics vs one side being more baseless than the other.

IntelMiner 4y ago
"burden they bear protecting the rest of the world's democracies" As an Australian, that's a pretty glowing interpretation of the US intervening where they aren't wanted or needed Was the US protecting 'democracy' when they annexed Hawaii, or how they've treated Cuba? Or Vietnam or South America or Iraq or any litany of other countries Hell. They helped depose Gough Whitlam because he dared threaten to nationalize our mines ala Norway, not to mention that worthless spying ring that is Pine Gap
- edgyquant 4y ago
  You’re completely disregarding that they’re talking about the US being the armed forces of all western democracies and strawmanning about 19th-early 20th century imperialism (which Western Europe took part in far more than the US did.)
  - IntelMiner 4y ago
    I did not realize that the Iraq War was "19th-early 20th century imperialism" Nor the mid 1970's
    - edgyquant 4y ago
      This is a further straw man when the point is that American economics and politics is what allows for the military that protects western democracies around the globe. Address the point don’t change the subject.
  - skinnymuch 4y ago
    The US helped bomb Yemen this decade. Drone strikes still happen in multiple countries if I’m not mistaken. America funds Israel now. That’s all happening now.
    - edgyquant 4y ago
      Which is irrelevant to the discussion.
      - skinnymuch 4y ago
        The subject is about how the US sucks and should be critiqued. You're talking about defending what the US does around the world. I'm giving examples of how the US really is around the world, at least the Global South. What discussion do you think is happening?
supportlocal4h 4y ago
As a USian, I think it is super important to question a super power that takes it upon themselves to protect the rest of the world's democracies--even if they have to force them into democracy first. The same way I think it is super important to challenge Russia's current defense against Ukrainian aggression.
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skinnymuch 4y ago
America is an awful country and they have lead 50+ coups. Murdered many millions. Installed tons of fascists, right wingers, and dictators. How is that protecting the rest of the world’s democracies? If you’re in NZ you don’t have to fall for American capitalist agitation propaganda. It’s obvious the US only cares about advancing capitalism and its own imperialist whims.

IntelMiner 4y ago

"burden they bear protecting the rest of the world's democracies" As an Australian, that's a pretty glowing interpretation of the US intervening where they aren't wanted or needed Was the US protecting 'democracy' when they annexed Hawaii, or how they've treated Cuba? Or Vietnam or South America or Iraq or any litany of other countries Hell. They helped depose Gough Whitlam because he dared threaten to nationalize our mines ala Norway, not to mention that worthless spying ring that is Pine Gap

edgyquant 4y ago
You’re completely disregarding that they’re talking about the US being the armed forces of all western democracies and strawmanning about 19th-early 20th century imperialism (which Western Europe took part in far more than the US did.)
- IntelMiner 4y ago
  I did not realize that the Iraq War was "19th-early 20th century imperialism" Nor the mid 1970's
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    This is a further straw man when the point is that American economics and politics is what allows for the military that protects western democracies around the globe. Address the point don’t change the subject.
- skinnymuch 4y ago
  The US helped bomb Yemen this decade. Drone strikes still happen in multiple countries if I’m not mistaken. America funds Israel now. That’s all happening now.
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    Which is irrelevant to the discussion.
    - skinnymuch 4y ago
      The subject is about how the US sucks and should be critiqued. You're talking about defending what the US does around the world. I'm giving examples of how the US really is around the world, at least the Global South. What discussion do you think is happening?

supportlocal4h 4y ago

As a USian, I think it is super important to question a super power that takes it upon themselves to protect the rest of the world's democracies--even if they have to force them into democracy first. The same way I think it is super important to challenge Russia's current defense against Ukrainian aggression.

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skinnymuch 4y ago

America is an awful country and they have lead 50+ coups. Murdered many millions. Installed tons of fascists, right wingers, and dictators. How is that protecting the rest of the world’s democracies? If you’re in NZ you don’t have to fall for American capitalist agitation propaganda. It’s obvious the US only cares about advancing capitalism and its own imperialist whims.