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> [W]e assume that the > term ‘aspect’ denotes an instantiated phenomenal property or quale. The set of aspects A(e), > then, comprises the phenomenal propert
by kbrkbr 4y ago
> [W]e assume that the
> term ‘aspect’ denotes an instantiated phenomenal property or quale. The set of aspects A(e),
> then, comprises the phenomenal properties or qualia which are instantiated in the experience e,
> also called the phenomenal states of the experience e. Our question, then, is what it means
> that “any set of phenomenal states of a subject at a time is phenomenally unified”
> [...]
> A promising answer is the
> so-called subsumptive unity thesis, developed in [5]:
> “For any set of phenomenal states of a subject at a time, the subject has a
> phenomenal state that subsumes each of the states in that set.” [5, p. 20]
> According to this thesis, what underlies the experience of the unity of a conscious experience
> is that for any set X of phenomenal states in the conscious experience, there is a further
> phenomenal state that subsumes each of the states in X. This phenomenal state characterizes
> what it is like to be in all of the states of X at once [5, p. 20].
> [...]
> Phenomenal unity gives rise to a mathematical structure of conscious experience.
When I try to state this in natural language I come to something like "Conscious states consist of qualities, or contain qualia. And they are unified _in_ consciousness, meaning that our experience is whole. The mathematical structure is this: For any set of experiencing qualities there is a(n additional) state integrating them all into one state."
When I studied philosophy in the 2000s we discussed such kinds of solutions already in a seminar and found them lacking on two grounds.
First: there is no clear notion of non-conscious qualia, and Ockham help us here to keep it so. But if this is true, each of the integrated states already presupposes the whole (because it is already conscious, consciousness is more the medium of qualia), which then cannot come after them to unify them. Unless one wants to assume that a lot of conscious splintered experiences are integrated into a whole later. That would be even more questionable, because who experiences them?
Second: The integrating state needs another integrating state to integrate it into the whole of conscious experience etc. ad inf. Unless it is a state that integrates itself into the whole as well, which would just be a sleigh of hand - because exactly that is the riddle that a mathematical structure must overcome to be about consciousness. The self-reference, the self-presentation of consciousness. Apologies for lacking the proper terminology here.
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- ttctciyf 4y agoYeah, I think that for one conscious experience e they would like to say not only are there a bunch of qualia involved (the "aspects" of e: A(e)) but that, in Nagel's famous phrase, there is something it is like to be the subject experiencing A(e) in the same instant, over and above the set of qualia A(e) itself. I agree that "non-conscious qualia" is an incoherent notion, but I'm not convinced this rules out a "phenomenal unity" as you argue - they are positing the unity as "phenomenal" not as the substrate (or medium, as you put it) of qualia, so more than just the raw fact of consciousness is implied. One point of comparison might be Wittgenstein's famous example of the duck-rabbit - a bistable ambiguous image that can be seen either as a picture of a duck or as a picture of a rabbit. One might assume the qualia associated with looking at the picture are the same whether one is seeing it as a duck or as a rabbit - the same shapes and colours - and yet there is a difference: > The change of aspect. "But surely you would say the picture is altogether different now!" [...] > If I saw the duck-rabbit as a rabbit, then I saw: these shapes and colours (I give them in detail) -- and I saw besides something like this: and here I point to a number of different pictures of rabbits [...] > 'Seeing as ...' is not part of perception. And for that reason it is like seeing and again not like. Perhaps this un-perceptual yet pervasive and arguably phenomenal unity subsuming the duck-rabbit qualia - that which flips from duck to rabbit and back - is analogous to what the authors intend with their "subsumptive unity thesis". Congrats on commenting on TFA, btw :) I thought it was an interesting read, though I start to lose my grip on the math around the topology section.