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If your Windows installation is working fine despite not meeting the "minimum" "requirements", then Microsoft was lying when they said those were the minimum re

If your Windows installation is working fine despite not meeting the "minimum" "requirements", then Microsoft was lying when they said those were the minimum requirements.

zamadatix 4y ago
They are the minimum requirements to upgrade, be supported, and use all of the features not the minimum requirements for it to boot. Not using e.g. the Windows Hello login flow doesn't mean you were lied to about the requirements.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  Why should the minimum requirements for the baseline OS include things that are only actually necessary if you want to use optional features like Hello?
  - zamadatix 4y ago
    Because the requirement defines what is supported not what subset works well enough for a particular individual to be happy enough using it today. As much as I think the minimum requirements are overbearing (particularly the CPU one, there are unsupported models with the same feature set as supported models) I have no problem with the concept of notifying me that I'm outside of the minimum requirements for support. If Microsoft wants to continue expanding the use of things like TPM for portions of the OS or doesn't want to guarantee old instruction set baselines will be used for the entire support lifecycle then I'd rather they be upfront about letting me know.
  - waste_monk 4y ago
    They want to make these things mandatory at some point. The frog must be boiled ever so slowly.
- nehal3m 4y ago
  You are describing adhering to optimal requirements.
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  - zamadatix 4y ago
    There are definitely optimal requirements outside of the minimum requirements but keep in mind what is optimal and what is minimal is going to be different between "supported" and "currently working" installs.
yongjik 4y ago
Minimum requirements don't work like that. If you buy a TV that requires minimum temperature of 40°F, and you find that yours work at 25°F, that doesn't mean the manufacturer was lying.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  Different copies of the same software don't have random variations like different pieces of the same hardware do.
  - yongjik 4y ago
    Considering how many different combinations of PC components and applications Windows is expected to support, you might as well call it random variation.
  - wtallis 4y ago
    The TV analogy isn't really about random variation between devices. Running a device way outside its specified temperature range may appear to work fine at first but lead to premature failure or subtle problems that aren't as easy for an end user to spot. By analogy, coercing Windows 11 to boot on unsupported hardware may work fine at the moment (for the subset of features you care about enough to test), but Microsoft makes no commitment that it will continue to run that well in the future. They may introduce new features that do not function on your unsupported hardware, or they may drop workarounds for known bugs or security vulnerabilities in your hardware. Or maybe Windows 11 will continue to work fine on that hardware for years to come, but Microsoft doesn't want to put any QA effort into guaranteeing that.
    - josephcsible 4y ago
      > Running a device way outside its specified temperature range may appear to work fine at first but lead to premature failure or subtle problems that aren't as easy for an end user to spot. The point was that operating hardware outside of its limits might work for me but not for you, and it might suddenly break for seemingly no reason later. But with software, if I can run Windows 11 without a TPM, then you'll definitely be able to, and there's nothing to wear out or change over time that could break that other than an update.

If your Windows installation is working fine despite not meeting the "minimum" "requirements", then Microsoft was lying when they said those were the minimum requirements.

zamadatix 4y ago

They are the minimum requirements to upgrade, be supported, and use all of the features not the minimum requirements for it to boot. Not using e.g. the Windows Hello login flow doesn't mean you were lied to about the requirements.

josephcsible 4y ago
Why should the minimum requirements for the baseline OS include things that are only actually necessary if you want to use optional features like Hello?
- zamadatix 4y ago
  Because the requirement defines what is supported not what subset works well enough for a particular individual to be happy enough using it today. As much as I think the minimum requirements are overbearing (particularly the CPU one, there are unsupported models with the same feature set as supported models) I have no problem with the concept of notifying me that I'm outside of the minimum requirements for support. If Microsoft wants to continue expanding the use of things like TPM for portions of the OS or doesn't want to guarantee old instruction set baselines will be used for the entire support lifecycle then I'd rather they be upfront about letting me know.
- waste_monk 4y ago
  They want to make these things mandatory at some point. The frog must be boiled ever so slowly.
nehal3m 4y ago
You are describing adhering to optimal requirements.
- deleted 4y ago
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- zamadatix 4y ago
  There are definitely optimal requirements outside of the minimum requirements but keep in mind what is optimal and what is minimal is going to be different between "supported" and "currently working" installs.

yongjik 4y ago

Minimum requirements don't work like that. If you buy a TV that requires minimum temperature of 40°F, and you find that yours work at 25°F, that doesn't mean the manufacturer was lying.

josephcsible 4y ago
Different copies of the same software don't have random variations like different pieces of the same hardware do.
- yongjik 4y ago
  Considering how many different combinations of PC components and applications Windows is expected to support, you might as well call it random variation.
- wtallis 4y ago
  The TV analogy isn't really about random variation between devices. Running a device way outside its specified temperature range may appear to work fine at first but lead to premature failure or subtle problems that aren't as easy for an end user to spot. By analogy, coercing Windows 11 to boot on unsupported hardware may work fine at the moment (for the subset of features you care about enough to test), but Microsoft makes no commitment that it will continue to run that well in the future. They may introduce new features that do not function on your unsupported hardware, or they may drop workarounds for known bugs or security vulnerabilities in your hardware. Or maybe Windows 11 will continue to work fine on that hardware for years to come, but Microsoft doesn't want to put any QA effort into guaranteeing that.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    > Running a device way outside its specified temperature range may appear to work fine at first but lead to premature failure or subtle problems that aren't as easy for an end user to spot. The point was that operating hardware outside of its limits might work for me but not for you, and it might suddenly break for seemingly no reason later. But with software, if I can run Windows 11 without a TPM, then you'll definitely be able to, and there's nothing to wear out or change over time that could break that other than an update.