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Can Russia overcome NATO's satellite advantage in Ukraine?

14 points by fwungy 4y ago

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Well, no, it can't do jack. NATO also has the Global Hawk drone flying in the Black Sea, keeping tabs on Russian vessels and feeding intel to Ukraine. Pretty sure Russia would love to soot it down, which they have the capability to do, but shooting down NATO assets is not a good 4-D chess move for them at this point.
lolc 4y ago
Haven't read much on tactics under modern artillery. So that was refreshing. I found it interesting to read about the scenario where half a million trained Russian soldiers hit the front "soon", equipped with modern tech. Because my nurtured assumption here still is that equipment will be scarce and discipline will be bad. In a hot war, propaganda goes stale fast. So we'll learn "soon".
pestatije 4y ago
Very sad state of affairs...I wonder how many russians would rather bomb the kremlin and be done with the war
_kbh_ 4y ago
Blatant and transparent Russian propaganda, if any of it was half true then why did the tide of the war change at least partially about western weapons started arriving?. Western rocker artillery (HIMARS/M270) so much more accurate than the Russian gear that it literally changed the face of the war by itself.
- yucky 4y ago
  Speaking of which, whatever happened to all the HIMARS? We were getting daily videos of their exploits, and then it started to slow down and now I can't recall the last time we saw one in action.
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    There was a video of them only 8 hours ago. https://twitter.com/defenceu/status/1627380328754020353 https://twitter.com/defenceu/status/1627380328754020353 The biggest hit I can think of recently (without a video though) was about a week ago near Vuhledar https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/politico-russia-may-have-lost-entire-elite-brigade-near-vuhledar https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/politico-russia-may-ha...
    - yucky 4y ago
      The Kyiv Independent? Something tells me their reporting may be as trustworthy as Russia Today.
      - _kbh_ 4y ago
        The story is all over the internet it was just the first source you didn’t need to pay to view. But here’s the telegraph with the exact same story. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/02/13/russia-ukraine-invasion-vuhledar-himars-strike-separatists/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/02/13/russia-ukr...
        yucky 4y ago
        Cool, so it looks like they still have one left! It's been so long since one inflicted any damage after seeing multiple strikes per day.
        _kbh_ 4y ago
        > Cool, so it looks like they still have one left! It's been so long since one inflicted any damage after seeing multiple strikes per day. By all accounts they still have all left, theres been no credible reports or evidence of a single one being destroyed. And if they had it the Russians would post it _everywhere_.
        yucky 4y ago
- fwungy 4y ago
  Russian air defense is solid. Russia can shoot down HIMARS missiles. They've also moved their supply depots out of range. Effective combat technology is always countered soon enough. The Ukraine has become a WWI type attrition grind because maneuver warfare is dangerous for both sides. Unfortunately for Ukraine , Russia has the artillery advantage, which is decisive in trench warfare.

14 points by fwungy 4y ago

Well, no, it can't do jack. NATO also has the Global Hawk drone flying in the Black Sea, keeping tabs on Russian vessels and feeding intel to Ukraine. Pretty sure Russia would love to soot it down, which they have the capability to do, but shooting down NATO assets is not a good 4-D chess move for them at this point.

lolc 4y ago

Haven't read much on tactics under modern artillery. So that was refreshing. I found it interesting to read about the scenario where half a million trained Russian soldiers hit the front "soon", equipped with modern tech. Because my nurtured assumption here still is that equipment will be scarce and discipline will be bad. In a hot war, propaganda goes stale fast. So we'll learn "soon".

pestatije 4y ago

Very sad state of affairs...I wonder how many russians would rather bomb the kremlin and be done with the war

_kbh_ 4y ago

Blatant and transparent Russian propaganda, if any of it was half true then why did the tide of the war change at least partially about western weapons started arriving?. Western rocker artillery (HIMARS/M270) so much more accurate than the Russian gear that it literally changed the face of the war by itself.

yucky 4y ago
Speaking of which, whatever happened to all the HIMARS? We were getting daily videos of their exploits, and then it started to slow down and now I can't recall the last time we saw one in action.
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  There was a video of them only 8 hours ago. https://twitter.com/defenceu/status/1627380328754020353 https://twitter.com/defenceu/status/1627380328754020353 The biggest hit I can think of recently (without a video though) was about a week ago near Vuhledar https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/politico-russia-may-have-lost-entire-elite-brigade-near-vuhledar https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/politico-russia-may-ha...
  - yucky 4y ago
    The Kyiv Independent? Something tells me their reporting may be as trustworthy as Russia Today.
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      The story is all over the internet it was just the first source you didn’t need to pay to view. But here’s the telegraph with the exact same story. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/02/13/russia-ukraine-invasion-vuhledar-himars-strike-separatists/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/02/13/russia-ukr...
      - yucky 4y ago
        Cool, so it looks like they still have one left! It's been so long since one inflicted any damage after seeing multiple strikes per day.
        _kbh_ 4y ago
        > Cool, so it looks like they still have one left! It's been so long since one inflicted any damage after seeing multiple strikes per day. By all accounts they still have all left, theres been no credible reports or evidence of a single one being destroyed. And if they had it the Russians would post it _everywhere_.
        yucky 4y ago
fwungy 4y ago
Russian air defense is solid. Russia can shoot down HIMARS missiles. They've also moved their supply depots out of range. Effective combat technology is always countered soon enough. The Ukraine has become a WWI type attrition grind because maneuver warfare is dangerous for both sides. Unfortunately for Ukraine , Russia has the artillery advantage, which is decisive in trench warfare.