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Are you implying I gave up freedoms to state/bureaucracy? Which freedoms did I give up, exactly?

by alright_scowl 4y ago

briantakita 4y ago
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- alright_scowl 4y ago
  > There are many concerns about giving a centralized authority more power > Also, since the EU is a vassal of Pax Americana So the problem is giving a centralized authority (EU) more power. At the same time the EU is a vassal of the US (Pax America, which is a fairly ridiculous notion in and of itself). I can only conclude from the horrible word salad you gave me that individual member states without the EU would also be vassals of the US, which is itself a centralized power. So the EU existence, following your logic, is inconsequential. Your thoughts were mildly entertaining to parse through. Sorry for not giving credence to your thoughts beyond mere entertainment however.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    > So the problem is giving a centralized authority (EU) more power. At the same time the EU is a vassal of the US Yeah, cognitive dissonance is strong with this one
  - briantakita 4y ago
    > EU is a vassal of the US (Pax America, which is a fairly ridiculous notion in and of itself). You don't believe me? Perhaps Pax Americana needs to blow up another one of Europe's oil pipelines to remind you... I wonder how long the sycophantic politicians can keep up the act before the freezing & unemployed citizens notice. Here's a word of advice though, don't give the Nazis too many weapons. It may end up in a bad situation. They may hate Putin today, but tomorrow their prerogatives may change...
    - nerdbert 4y ago
      > Perhaps Pax Americana needs to blow up another one of Europe's oil pipelines Does "pax" in Freedom Latin mean the same thing that it does in traditional Latin?
- inglor_cz 4y ago
  "Banderite Nazis" For the record, this is a standard Russian talking point. Stepan Bandera was a nationalist Ukrainian leader and his remembrance is one of the reasons why Russian propaganda now paints Ukraine as Nazified. "War is terrible." Indeed, and being absorbed into the Russian World is even more terrible. I get it, the Kremlin isn't exactly winning on the battlefield right now, so it tries to undermine the will to fight among its opponents. Nazis, Peace Now etc., the standard Russian word salad. No, you are not getting Ukraine, forget it. That invasion was a bridge too far and Russia will lose badly. Good. I will never forget nor forgive the Soviet rape of Czechoslovakia in 1968, but Russian defeat in the Ukrainian war will at least somewhat soothe the bitterness.
briantakita 4y ago
Interesting that my anti-war reply gets flagged over here. Can't have anyone critical of wars allowed to speak out. Nor can certain extremist ideological movements with a history of mass destruction, whose current activities are well documented, be acknowledged. I believe that answers your question...
- skinnymuch 4y ago
  Are you advocating for some right wing libertarian stuff?
  - briantakita 4y ago
    Sure...We should not support wars where many people die & we should choose diplomacy instead. We should not funnel arms to violent ideological extremists as well. One of these extremist groups calls themself "The Right Sector". Many members of "The Right Sector" have tattoos that are Nazi symbols, hold large tiki torch marches, & have publicly proclaimed Nazi ideology. Do I dare mention the over 16000 civilians killed (many of which are children) in the Donbas after the 2014 coup in Kiev? My opinion is, you know, "right wing libertarian stuff". I must be off my rocker...So must Vice & the various other media outlets that extensively reported on this over the past decade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC1oCpnDURc&ab_channel=VICE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC1oCpnDURc&ab_channel=VICE https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3m3eg/neo-nazi-terror-group-the-base-linked-to-the-war-in-ukraine https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3m3eg/neo-nazi-terror-group... https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-probl... https://thehill.com/opinion/international/359609-the-reality-of-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-is-far-from-kremlin-propaganda/ https://thehill.com/opinion/international/359609-the-reality... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy910FG46C4&ab_channel=TIME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy910FG46C4&ab_channel=TIME https://youtu.be/pKcmNGvaDUs https://youtu.be/pKcmNGvaDUs ``` Brenton Tarrant, who massacred 51 worshipers at a mosque in Christchurch in New Zealand in 2019, and several members of the U.S. “Rise Above Movement” who were prosecuted for attacking counter-protesters at the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville in August 2017, have been trained by the Azov Battalion. ``` https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/ignoring-the-influence-of-the-extreme-right-in-ukraine-is-dangerous https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/ignoring-the-influence-... Pax Americana & the EU is sending weapons to the Azov Battalion in this war. Here is more on the "Rise Above Movement", which Wikipedia describes as ```a loose collective of violent neo-Nazis and fascists", white nationalist, white supremacist, and far-right``` and ```Social media accounts used by the group shared photographed of members meeting with far-right and neo-Nazi groups in Eastern Europe, such as the Ukrainian political party National Corps and the Azov Battalion``` https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_Above_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_Above_Movement I also don't support Pax Americana destroying the Nordstream Pipeline, where the German people bear the brunt of this act of violence. I lived in Panama City, FL, where the divers who destroyed the Nordstream Pipe live, as reported by Pulitzer Prize journalist Seymour Hersch. https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the... Here is "right wing libertarian stuff" news outlet Democracy Now interviewing Seymour Hersch... https://youtu.be/d4BuMaGlKp0 https://youtu.be/d4BuMaGlKp0 Sounds like I failed some sort of purity test here. It's a chilling time we live in; that simply saying we should not eagerly enter into wars & arm violent extremists is so controversial. Reminds me of the 1930s Germany, where so-called pacifists (imo people with common sense) were so wholeheartedly denounced when they did not support the tenants of the same extremist ideology that created WW2...whose modern direct adherents we are sending $billions of weapons to. But shhhh, we can't talk about this. It's the dirty secret that shall not be mentioned. Who in their proper mind would support this? Consolidated power inevitably gets corrupted & turns into a bully because it attracts psychopaths, sociopaths, & sycophants into positions of leadership. So please, denounce me & downvote me. Flag this post. Silence this thread. Many people critical of wars & arming extremist groups have been denounced & silence in the past and continue to be denounced & silenced. Show us all who you really are...Are the dead Ukrainians, dead Russians, & rise of Nazi ideological extremists worth it?

Are you implying I gave up freedoms to state/bureaucracy? Which freedoms did I give up, exactly?

briantakita 4y ago

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alright_scowl 4y ago
> There are many concerns about giving a centralized authority more power > Also, since the EU is a vassal of Pax Americana So the problem is giving a centralized authority (EU) more power. At the same time the EU is a vassal of the US (Pax America, which is a fairly ridiculous notion in and of itself). I can only conclude from the horrible word salad you gave me that individual member states without the EU would also be vassals of the US, which is itself a centralized power. So the EU existence, following your logic, is inconsequential. Your thoughts were mildly entertaining to parse through. Sorry for not giving credence to your thoughts beyond mere entertainment however.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  > So the problem is giving a centralized authority (EU) more power. At the same time the EU is a vassal of the US Yeah, cognitive dissonance is strong with this one
- briantakita 4y ago
  > EU is a vassal of the US (Pax America, which is a fairly ridiculous notion in and of itself). You don't believe me? Perhaps Pax Americana needs to blow up another one of Europe's oil pipelines to remind you... I wonder how long the sycophantic politicians can keep up the act before the freezing & unemployed citizens notice. Here's a word of advice though, don't give the Nazis too many weapons. It may end up in a bad situation. They may hate Putin today, but tomorrow their prerogatives may change...
  - nerdbert 4y ago
    > Perhaps Pax Americana needs to blow up another one of Europe's oil pipelines Does "pax" in Freedom Latin mean the same thing that it does in traditional Latin?
inglor_cz 4y ago
"Banderite Nazis" For the record, this is a standard Russian talking point. Stepan Bandera was a nationalist Ukrainian leader and his remembrance is one of the reasons why Russian propaganda now paints Ukraine as Nazified. "War is terrible." Indeed, and being absorbed into the Russian World is even more terrible. I get it, the Kremlin isn't exactly winning on the battlefield right now, so it tries to undermine the will to fight among its opponents. Nazis, Peace Now etc., the standard Russian word salad. No, you are not getting Ukraine, forget it. That invasion was a bridge too far and Russia will lose badly. Good. I will never forget nor forgive the Soviet rape of Czechoslovakia in 1968, but Russian defeat in the Ukrainian war will at least somewhat soothe the bitterness.

briantakita 4y ago

Interesting that my anti-war reply gets flagged over here. Can't have anyone critical of wars allowed to speak out. Nor can certain extremist ideological movements with a history of mass destruction, whose current activities are well documented, be acknowledged. I believe that answers your question...

skinnymuch 4y ago
Are you advocating for some right wing libertarian stuff?
- briantakita 4y ago
  Sure...We should not support wars where many people die & we should choose diplomacy instead. We should not funnel arms to violent ideological extremists as well. One of these extremist groups calls themself "The Right Sector". Many members of "The Right Sector" have tattoos that are Nazi symbols, hold large tiki torch marches, & have publicly proclaimed Nazi ideology. Do I dare mention the over 16000 civilians killed (many of which are children) in the Donbas after the 2014 coup in Kiev? My opinion is, you know, "right wing libertarian stuff". I must be off my rocker...So must Vice & the various other media outlets that extensively reported on this over the past decade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC1oCpnDURc&ab_channel=VICE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC1oCpnDURc&ab_channel=VICE https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3m3eg/neo-nazi-terror-group-the-base-linked-to-the-war-in-ukraine https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3m3eg/neo-nazi-terror-group... https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-probl... https://thehill.com/opinion/international/359609-the-reality-of-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-is-far-from-kremlin-propaganda/ https://thehill.com/opinion/international/359609-the-reality... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy910FG46C4&ab_channel=TIME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy910FG46C4&ab_channel=TIME https://youtu.be/pKcmNGvaDUs https://youtu.be/pKcmNGvaDUs ``` Brenton Tarrant, who massacred 51 worshipers at a mosque in Christchurch in New Zealand in 2019, and several members of the U.S. “Rise Above Movement” who were prosecuted for attacking counter-protesters at the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville in August 2017, have been trained by the Azov Battalion. ``` https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/ignoring-the-influence-of-the-extreme-right-in-ukraine-is-dangerous https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/ignoring-the-influence-... Pax Americana & the EU is sending weapons to the Azov Battalion in this war. Here is more on the "Rise Above Movement", which Wikipedia describes as ```a loose collective of violent neo-Nazis and fascists", white nationalist, white supremacist, and far-right``` and ```Social media accounts used by the group shared photographed of members meeting with far-right and neo-Nazi groups in Eastern Europe, such as the Ukrainian political party National Corps and the Azov Battalion``` https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_Above_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_Above_Movement I also don't support Pax Americana destroying the Nordstream Pipeline, where the German people bear the brunt of this act of violence. I lived in Panama City, FL, where the divers who destroyed the Nordstream Pipe live, as reported by Pulitzer Prize journalist Seymour Hersch. https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the... Here is "right wing libertarian stuff" news outlet Democracy Now interviewing Seymour Hersch... https://youtu.be/d4BuMaGlKp0 https://youtu.be/d4BuMaGlKp0 Sounds like I failed some sort of purity test here. It's a chilling time we live in; that simply saying we should not eagerly enter into wars & arm violent extremists is so controversial. Reminds me of the 1930s Germany, where so-called pacifists (imo people with common sense) were so wholeheartedly denounced when they did not support the tenants of the same extremist ideology that created WW2...whose modern direct adherents we are sending $billions of weapons to. But shhhh, we can't talk about this. It's the dirty secret that shall not be mentioned. Who in their proper mind would support this? Consolidated power inevitably gets corrupted & turns into a bully because it attracts psychopaths, sociopaths, & sycophants into positions of leadership. So please, denounce me & downvote me. Flag this post. Silence this thread. Many people critical of wars & arming extremist groups have been denounced & silence in the past and continue to be denounced & silenced. Show us all who you really are...Are the dead Ukrainians, dead Russians, & rise of Nazi ideological extremists worth it?