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I'm Swiss and American. Comparing culture is difficult, but limiting it to willingness to adopt software for large enterprise and adapt the business, I agree wi

by eyphka 4y ago

I'm Swiss and American. Comparing culture is difficult, but limiting it to willingness to adopt software for large enterprise and adapt the business, I agree with the assessment. Ironically, the increased calcification of those large enterprise has lead in Europe, especially Germany, in markets where competition is possible, the very fast displacement of large enterprises by startups. E.g. n26

mistrial9 4y ago
ok but you are agreeing with a company that is enacting mass surveillance using new technology It seems that "slow" adoption is a feature no adoption sounds right to me
t8sr 4y ago
Weird, I am also mainly contrasting US and Swiss business culture, and I've come to the exact opposite conclusions. In Switzerland, every interaction with any large enterprise can be done entirely on your phone, fast, securely and conveniently. The SBB, the post office, the banks, the city of Zurich, the tax office - all of them let you do everything online. And unlike the US versions of these things, it actually works! The only thing you can't do online is vote, and that's probably a good thing.
- WelcomeShorty 4y ago
  > The only thing you can't do online is vote YET. We're working on it :)
  - t8sr 4y ago
    Oh I'm aware. I both work in infosec and live in Switzerland, so naturally I've been following the saga quite closely. The current version is the scytl-developed monstrosity, which will hopefully never be deployed: 1) The developer went out of business 2) People keep finding vulnerabilities in it, like the operator being able to change the votes. 3) Listen: I've been in Security for 20 years and the idea of E-voting is absolutely terrifying to me. It should never, ever, ever happen as long as those systems are developed and operated by humans.
anotherboffin 4y ago
> adopt software for large enterprise and adapt the business It’s not my area of expertise, but isn’t that kinda what SAP is known to bring? Edit: formatting

by eyphka 4y ago

mistrial9 4y ago

ok but you are agreeing with a company that is enacting mass surveillance using new technology It seems that "slow" adoption is a feature no adoption sounds right to me

t8sr 4y ago

Weird, I am also mainly contrasting US and Swiss business culture, and I've come to the exact opposite conclusions. In Switzerland, every interaction with any large enterprise can be done entirely on your phone, fast, securely and conveniently. The SBB, the post office, the banks, the city of Zurich, the tax office - all of them let you do everything online. And unlike the US versions of these things, it actually works! The only thing you can't do online is vote, and that's probably a good thing.

WelcomeShorty 4y ago
> The only thing you can't do online is vote YET. We're working on it :)
- t8sr 4y ago
  Oh I'm aware. I both work in infosec and live in Switzerland, so naturally I've been following the saga quite closely. The current version is the scytl-developed monstrosity, which will hopefully never be deployed: 1) The developer went out of business 2) People keep finding vulnerabilities in it, like the operator being able to change the votes. 3) Listen: I've been in Security for 20 years and the idea of E-voting is absolutely terrifying to me. It should never, ever, ever happen as long as those systems are developed and operated by humans.

anotherboffin 4y ago

> adopt software for large enterprise and adapt the business It’s not my area of expertise, but isn’t that kinda what SAP is known to bring? Edit: formatting