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Land based internet infrastructure doesn't solve the problem described in the article. Specifically: > It will secure the Union’s sovereignty and autonomy by

Land based internet infrastructure doesn't solve the problem described in the article. Specifically: > It will secure the Union’s sovereignty and autonomy by guaranteeing fewer dependencies on third-country infrastructure, and the provision of secured telecommunications services for EU governments in critical scenarios where terrestrial networks are absent or disrupted, as observed, for instance, in the unfolding war in Ukraine.

wcoenen 4y ago
In a large enough war, space infrastructure would actually be very vulnerable. Imagine a cloud of a few tons of shrapnel, spread around in an orbit that intersects all the 550km orbits of the Starlink constellation. This shrapnel cloud could be deployed with a single launch.
- frankreyes 4y ago
  It's not that simple. Because enemy nation states also have their own satellites. They will just be damaging their own infrastructure, specially Russia with their huge land to cover they need their satellites.
  - wcoenen 4y ago
    I think these things would happen as a result of a process of escalations, not as a result of rational decisions. Perhaps one side temporarily blinds a spy satellite with a laser[1], to prevent it from observing something sensitive. Then the other side reacts by blinding another satellite in the same way, but oops, the laser was a bit too powerful and it does permanent damage to the sensors. Then a single satellite is outright destroyed in retaliation. Etcetera. [1] https://theconversation.com/russians-reportedly-building-a-satellite-blinding-laser-an-expert-explains-the-technology-186890 https://theconversation.com/russians-reportedly-building-a-s...
    - jevgeni 4y ago
      So the solution is to either do nothing, or do something that the russians will have even less trouble destroying?
      - wcoenen 4y ago
        The solution, I think, would be to have redundant terrestrial communication links. A spiderweb of links between nodes, with routing around damage. And fallbacks to slower microwave or radio links when fiber gets cut. And developing plans to make due with very low bandwidth (i.e. text based protocols) during a crisis.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  Actually deploying that stuff in a single launch isn't that easy. And we have to remember how large orbits are. And how sats can change them. Putting sufficient material into all necessary orbits to seriously damage Starlink would be incredibly difficult. And if its just shrapnel a single hit threw the solar panel might not destroy the sat either.

wcoenen 4y ago

In a large enough war, space infrastructure would actually be very vulnerable. Imagine a cloud of a few tons of shrapnel, spread around in an orbit that intersects all the 550km orbits of the Starlink constellation. This shrapnel cloud could be deployed with a single launch.

frankreyes 4y ago
It's not that simple. Because enemy nation states also have their own satellites. They will just be damaging their own infrastructure, specially Russia with their huge land to cover they need their satellites.
- wcoenen 4y ago
  I think these things would happen as a result of a process of escalations, not as a result of rational decisions. Perhaps one side temporarily blinds a spy satellite with a laser[1], to prevent it from observing something sensitive. Then the other side reacts by blinding another satellite in the same way, but oops, the laser was a bit too powerful and it does permanent damage to the sensors. Then a single satellite is outright destroyed in retaliation. Etcetera. [1] https://theconversation.com/russians-reportedly-building-a-satellite-blinding-laser-an-expert-explains-the-technology-186890 https://theconversation.com/russians-reportedly-building-a-s...
  - jevgeni 4y ago
    So the solution is to either do nothing, or do something that the russians will have even less trouble destroying?
    - wcoenen 4y ago
      The solution, I think, would be to have redundant terrestrial communication links. A spiderweb of links between nodes, with routing around damage. And fallbacks to slower microwave or radio links when fiber gets cut. And developing plans to make due with very low bandwidth (i.e. text based protocols) during a crisis.
panick21_ 4y ago
Actually deploying that stuff in a single launch isn't that easy. And we have to remember how large orbits are. And how sats can change them. Putting sufficient material into all necessary orbits to seriously damage Starlink would be incredibly difficult. And if its just shrapnel a single hit threw the solar panel might not destroy the sat either.