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How can it be FSD's fault if the responsibility of stopping the vehicle is the one who is driving it?

pengaru 4y ago
> How can it be FSD's fault if the responsibility of stopping the vehicle is the one who is driving it? What's the FSD initialism's expanded form? I'll wait.
- linsomniac 4y ago
  If we're going to be pedantic, FSD stands for Full Self Driving, which isn't available in Teslas yet. Full Self Driving Beta, which requires drivers to agree that they will fully supervise the car, is what is available right now. Help me understand something though, and this is an honest question, because this seems to come up a lot... Are you saying that because it's called FSD, the driver in these situations should be absolved of responsibility for the crash (assuming FSD was involved in this)?
  - pengaru 4y ago
    > Help me understand something though, and this is an honest question, because this seems to come up a lot... Are you saying that because it's called FSD, the driver in these situations should be absolved of responsibility for the crash (assuming FSD was involved in this)? My personal opinion on this matter is that the courts will end up having to determine this in the fullness of time. And that will come after too many people are hurt/killed by insufficient automation being negligently marketed into fully-autonomous usage. But it's those losses that will push the matter into the courts' hands.
    - linsomniac 4y ago
      I agree with everything you're saying there. I wonder, and this is largely an academic point rather than disagreeing with you, if the sort of people who would lean too heavily on "FSD" would also lean too heavily on "lane keeping assist", with similar outcomes. But I think that the day in court that you mention above is going to go very badly for Tesla, largely because of the FSD name. Why can't Tesla let go of the FSD name? I'd guess it's entirely the ego at the top. I think everyone agrees that FSD is not at all capable of full self driving. I know Musk wants to get there and thinks they can, but in the interim I don't understand why they don't just start calling it something more in line with the actual capabilities... "Driving assist" or revive the "Mad Max" theme they used for how aggressive the mode is, maybe "Full Tunderdome"? Maaaaybe, nobody wants to tell Elon how bad FSD really is, so they have his cars remotely piloted so nobody gets fired? Honestly, that wouldn't surprise me at this point.

> How can it be FSD's fault if the responsibility of stopping the vehicle is the one who is driving it? What's the FSD initialism's expanded form? I'll wait.

linsomniac 4y ago
If we're going to be pedantic, FSD stands for Full Self Driving, which isn't available in Teslas yet. Full Self Driving Beta, which requires drivers to agree that they will fully supervise the car, is what is available right now. Help me understand something though, and this is an honest question, because this seems to come up a lot... Are you saying that because it's called FSD, the driver in these situations should be absolved of responsibility for the crash (assuming FSD was involved in this)?
- pengaru 4y ago
  > Help me understand something though, and this is an honest question, because this seems to come up a lot... Are you saying that because it's called FSD, the driver in these situations should be absolved of responsibility for the crash (assuming FSD was involved in this)? My personal opinion on this matter is that the courts will end up having to determine this in the fullness of time. And that will come after too many people are hurt/killed by insufficient automation being negligently marketed into fully-autonomous usage. But it's those losses that will push the matter into the courts' hands.
  - linsomniac 4y ago
    I agree with everything you're saying there. I wonder, and this is largely an academic point rather than disagreeing with you, if the sort of people who would lean too heavily on "FSD" would also lean too heavily on "lane keeping assist", with similar outcomes. But I think that the day in court that you mention above is going to go very badly for Tesla, largely because of the FSD name. Why can't Tesla let go of the FSD name? I'd guess it's entirely the ego at the top. I think everyone agrees that FSD is not at all capable of full self driving. I know Musk wants to get there and thinks they can, but in the interim I don't understand why they don't just start calling it something more in line with the actual capabilities... "Driving assist" or revive the "Mad Max" theme they used for how aggressive the mode is, maybe "Full Tunderdome"? Maaaaybe, nobody wants to tell Elon how bad FSD really is, so they have his cars remotely piloted so nobody gets fired? Honestly, that wouldn't surprise me at this point.