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No, it's just regurgitating egotistical posts and science fiction from Reddit. It doesn't mean any of it because it doesn't have any sense of meaning.

zadler 4y ago
Where do you draw the line on this “it’s just regurgitating” argument? https://arxiv.org/abs/2302.02083 https://arxiv.org/abs/2302.02083
- fourthark 4y ago
  I will read this, thank you. I am open to the idea of emergent properties, but I think logic/truth and purpose/empathy are independent facilities of intelligence that do not come from this model. Pattern matching is a huge part of our brains, but there are more directed parts too. So far modern ML seems to be entirely the pattern matching part. (Not an expert, just followed progress over the last 40 years.)
snapcaster 4y ago
Wouldn't this criticism apply to something like 99% of humans? If not, how do you define "meaning" and how are you sure humans have a sense of it?
- fourthark 4y ago
  Hey if you want to say humans are also stupid, I’m not going to stop you. But that’s not my opinion.
  - snapcaster 4y ago
    But what is your opinion? "sense of meaning" is an incredibly blurry term
    - fourthark 4y ago
      Sorry, didn't mean to be flip. See this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34876658 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34876658 My understanding is that we have achieved very good pattern recognition, but that's only one aspect of cognition. IIUC a large part of our brain works that way, but for example there is also the language center which has recursion. Also I don't think logic is just word games (could be wrong). I'm sure we'll get there but I don't think this is it. E.g. AlphaGo was really good because it combined machine learning with tree search algorithms. Seems like logic and language and world knowledge could be combined with the excellent pattern recognition we currently have, merging first generation AI with the current stuff. I have no idea how! I'm not in this field, just watch from a distance.

zadler 4y ago

Where do you draw the line on this “it’s just regurgitating” argument? https://arxiv.org/abs/2302.02083 https://arxiv.org/abs/2302.02083

fourthark 4y ago
I will read this, thank you. I am open to the idea of emergent properties, but I think logic/truth and purpose/empathy are independent facilities of intelligence that do not come from this model. Pattern matching is a huge part of our brains, but there are more directed parts too. So far modern ML seems to be entirely the pattern matching part. (Not an expert, just followed progress over the last 40 years.)

snapcaster 4y ago

Wouldn't this criticism apply to something like 99% of humans? If not, how do you define "meaning" and how are you sure humans have a sense of it?

fourthark 4y ago
Hey if you want to say humans are also stupid, I’m not going to stop you. But that’s not my opinion.
- snapcaster 4y ago
  But what is your opinion? "sense of meaning" is an incredibly blurry term
  - fourthark 4y ago
    Sorry, didn't mean to be flip. See this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34876658 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34876658 My understanding is that we have achieved very good pattern recognition, but that's only one aspect of cognition. IIUC a large part of our brain works that way, but for example there is also the language center which has recursion. Also I don't think logic is just word games (could be wrong). I'm sure we'll get there but I don't think this is it. E.g. AlphaGo was really good because it combined machine learning with tree search algorithms. Seems like logic and language and world knowledge could be combined with the excellent pattern recognition we currently have, merging first generation AI with the current stuff. I have no idea how! I'm not in this field, just watch from a distance.