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Straight, white men have the privilege of being taken seriously, of being heard. The further you drift from that "ideal" mold, the less seriously you are taken
by Zetice 4y ago
Straight, white men have the privilege of being taken seriously, of being heard. The further you drift from that "ideal" mold, the less seriously you are taken. The roles that men fill in society are filled because people don't attach negative connotations to what those people do or say, and therefore leadership roles are massively disproportionately filled by men.
There are so many more qualified women in this world that could do as good of a job, if not better, than the men who are leading, but those women are never given a chance because of their gender.
People like Andrew Tate get an audience because hatred is easy to fall for, and misogyny is sadly all to common in western society. Our society not only is not misandrist, it's actively pro-men in so many ways, on so many levels, that the mere notion that the playing field should be leveled gets thought of as "misandrist".
If you're a healthy straight white man and you're struggling in western society, it's got nothing to do with other people; it's firmly a you problem. Andrew Tate gives those people a way to pretend it isn't their fault, but that's all it is, pretend.
- fidgewidge 4y ago[flagged]
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- Zetice 4y agoNo, Tate exists because people want to avoid taking responsibility for their lack of success; anyone who gives them an excuse will be welcomed. I’m not giving examples because I’m replying to you while taking a shit. If you want concrete examples of how misogyny hurts women, thousands of those specific examples are one Google away. The problem you have with claiming I’m “completely disconnected from reality” is that there’s a lot of evidence I have to know otherwise. It’s like claiming I have a second head growing out of my neck; it’s so obviously untrue if you knew anything about me, that when you do it you ruin your entire argument. Society is misogynistic at every institutional level, and the healthy straight white men who can’t succeed are failing because of their own decisions and actions.
- fidgewidge 4y ago[flagged]
- Zetice 4y agoOkay so what institutions do you trust? Can you name five? Also what terms did you Google? Also also there is no "the rest of us". You don't belong to or speak for a group. It's just you and I talking, so don't think you've got some kind of majority in this conversation or in this idea.
- mpweiher 4y agoIf you make a claim, it is on you to bring the evidence to support your claim. "What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"
- Zetice 4y agoa) We both made claims, no sure why I'm the only one being asked to provide evidence, b) I'd love to provide evidence but in order to do so credibly, I need to know which institutions to source that data from, so we don't go back and forth on whether or not the data was collected with bias or some other excuse and, c) this is HN, which is neither equipped for conversations like this nor are they encouraged. If you actually are interested in learning about the negative impacts of misogyny in the US, there are classes you can take online, people you can talk to, papers to read, etc. Demanding your entire learning experience be run through HN exclusively is only done by folks who have no intellectual curiosity and just want to annoy others. You'll notice he hasn't responded to my basic question for clarity, as that would require some form of baseline cooperation on his part, which runs counter to his clear desire to be a pain for the sake of it. It's been three days since this conversation started. Is the expectation that I'm to sit here and engage for eternity with a person who I don't know on a topic it's clear they're not interested in understanding better?
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