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To be clear, The Witches is full of obviously intentional antisemitic tropes: https://www.heyalma.com/is-roald-dahls-the-witches-antisemitic/amp/ https://www.he

To be clear, The Witches is full of obviously intentional antisemitic tropes: https://www.heyalma.com/is-roald-dahls-the-witches-antisemitic/amp/ https://www.heyalma.com/is-roald-dahls-the-witches-antisemit...

anonreeeeplor 4y ago
I have a hard time believing you are serious. They hallucinated a bunch of context into it that fits any story about secret societies.
mandmandam 4y ago
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- MichaelMoser123 4y ago
  > pointing out that Jewish people are heavily involved in the media isn't inherently anti-semitic 'Jews are controlling the media' isn't antisemitic? 'der Stuermer' was depicting caricature Jews with long noses just for the fun of it? And yes, fictional conspiracies were a big deal in antisemitic propaganda - 'the protocols of the elders of zion' is just an example.
  - oska 4y ago
    You're twisting the words of the person you replied to - you've changed 'heavily involved' to 'controlling'. And regarding The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The whole point of that book is that it was passed off as not being fictional. It was fraudulently presented as a real text.
    - MichaelMoser123 4y ago
      Roald Dahl, as quoted in the article (I am assuming that we are talking about Roald Dahl) https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/dec/06/roald-dahl-family-apologises-for-his-antisemitism https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/dec/06/roald-dahl-fam... “It’s the same old thing: we all know about Jews and the rest of it. There aren’t any non-Jewish publishers anywhere, they control the media – jolly clever thing to do – that’s why the president of the United States has to sell all this stuff to Israel.”
      - oska 4y ago
        Ok, I appreciate where you were coming from now, my apologies. Yes, Dahl explicitly talked about Jews controlling the media (although not in his fiction). So yes, I was wrong to jump in on this point.
  - Uhhrrr 4y ago
    But much of the Protocols was taken from an anti-Napoleon III tract which doesn't mention Jews at all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dialogue_in_Hell_Between_Machiavelli_and_Montesquieu https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dialogue_in_Hell_Between... So just talking about conspiracies isn't a good indicator of anti-Semitism.
MichaelMoser123 4y ago
also the image of the Oompa Loompa in 'charlie and the chocolate factory' can also be interpreted as racist. The NAACP launched a protest, back in 1971 - at a time when racist attitudes were much more common. https://daily.jstor.org/roald-dahls-anti-black-racism/ https://daily.jstor.org/roald-dahls-anti-black-racism/ The movie paints them with orange colored skin, no one was protesting that edition of the original text.
- robocat 4y ago
  Dahl answered that criticism, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34853399 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34853399

anonreeeeplor 4y ago

I have a hard time believing you are serious. They hallucinated a bunch of context into it that fits any story about secret societies.

mandmandam 4y ago

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MichaelMoser123 4y ago
> pointing out that Jewish people are heavily involved in the media isn't inherently anti-semitic 'Jews are controlling the media' isn't antisemitic? 'der Stuermer' was depicting caricature Jews with long noses just for the fun of it? And yes, fictional conspiracies were a big deal in antisemitic propaganda - 'the protocols of the elders of zion' is just an example.
- oska 4y ago
  You're twisting the words of the person you replied to - you've changed 'heavily involved' to 'controlling'. And regarding The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The whole point of that book is that it was passed off as not being fictional. It was fraudulently presented as a real text.
  - MichaelMoser123 4y ago
    Roald Dahl, as quoted in the article (I am assuming that we are talking about Roald Dahl) https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/dec/06/roald-dahl-family-apologises-for-his-antisemitism https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/dec/06/roald-dahl-fam... “It’s the same old thing: we all know about Jews and the rest of it. There aren’t any non-Jewish publishers anywhere, they control the media – jolly clever thing to do – that’s why the president of the United States has to sell all this stuff to Israel.”
    - oska 4y ago
      Ok, I appreciate where you were coming from now, my apologies. Yes, Dahl explicitly talked about Jews controlling the media (although not in his fiction). So yes, I was wrong to jump in on this point.
- Uhhrrr 4y ago
  But much of the Protocols was taken from an anti-Napoleon III tract which doesn't mention Jews at all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dialogue_in_Hell_Between_Machiavelli_and_Montesquieu https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dialogue_in_Hell_Between... So just talking about conspiracies isn't a good indicator of anti-Semitism.

MichaelMoser123 4y ago

also the image of the Oompa Loompa in 'charlie and the chocolate factory' can also be interpreted as racist. The NAACP launched a protest, back in 1971 - at a time when racist attitudes were much more common. https://daily.jstor.org/roald-dahls-anti-black-racism/ https://daily.jstor.org/roald-dahls-anti-black-racism/ The movie paints them with orange colored skin, no one was protesting that edition of the original text.

robocat 4y ago
Dahl answered that criticism, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34853399 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34853399