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Essentially every tech firm is run by a man, yet, they were not awarded those jobs because they are men. They tended to get them by founding those companies suc
by fidgewidge 4y ago
Essentially every tech firm is run by a man, yet, they were not awarded those jobs because they are men. They tended to get them by founding those companies successfully, or being very early employees who did major successful initiatives. The US President has always been a man, but that's because the men always win the votes, not because the competition is tipped in their favor.
On the other hand, in some countries there are now laws forcing women into corporate boards. You have to have women there even if they did nothing to deserve it.
> It’s institutional misogyny, it’s morally bankrupt, and it needs to change
This is so far from reality you need to do some grounding exercises. Institutional misogyny would look like written down, formal and openly acknowledged mechanisms that systematically block women from certain opportunities. Can you write down a list of such things? Probably not because in the west, no such mechanisms exist. The same is not true in reverse, where there are actually many such mechanisms that specifically grant women those opportunities by banning men from competing. Board seats, all-women selection lists in politics, recruiters told to only search for women, jobs that are earmarked only for women, laws that grant women child custody by default, the US VP being selected because it had to be a black woman and so on.
People like Andrew Tate get audiences because it's completely accurate to say our society is institutionally misandrist. To claim the opposite is to simply replace reality with ideology, which is always dangerous.
- Zetice 4y agoStraight, white men have the privilege of being taken seriously, of being heard. The further you drift from that "ideal" mold, the less seriously you are taken. The roles that men fill in society are filled because people don't attach negative connotations to what those people do or say, and therefore leadership roles are massively disproportionately filled by men. There are so many more qualified women in this world that could do as good of a job, if not better, than the men who are leading, but those women are never given a chance because of their gender. People like Andrew Tate get an audience because hatred is easy to fall for, and misogyny is sadly all to common in western society. Our society not only is not misandrist, it's actively pro-men in so many ways, on so many levels, that the mere notion that the playing field should be leveled gets thought of as "misandrist". If you're a healthy straight white man and you're struggling in western society, it's got nothing to do with other people; it's firmly a you problem. Andrew Tate gives those people a way to pretend it isn't their fault, but that's all it is, pretend.
- fidgewidge 4y ago[flagged]
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- Zetice 4y agoNo, Tate exists because people want to avoid taking responsibility for their lack of success; anyone who gives them an excuse will be welcomed. I’m not giving examples because I’m replying to you while taking a shit. If you want concrete examples of how misogyny hurts women, thousands of those specific examples are one Google away. The problem you have with claiming I’m “completely disconnected from reality” is that there’s a lot of evidence I have to know otherwise. It’s like claiming I have a second head growing out of my neck; it’s so obviously untrue if you knew anything about me, that when you do it you ruin your entire argument. Society is misogynistic at every institutional level, and the healthy straight white men who can’t succeed are failing because of their own decisions and actions.
- fidgewidge 4y ago[flagged]
- Zetice 4y agoOkay so what institutions do you trust? Can you name five? Also what terms did you Google? Also also there is no "the rest of us". You don't belong to or speak for a group. It's just you and I talking, so don't think you've got some kind of majority in this conversation or in this idea.
- mpweiher 4y agoIf you make a claim, it is on you to bring the evidence to support your claim. "What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"