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I think IBMs CEO is being a bit on the optimistic side with regards to the actualy capabilities of AI.. However, I do hope strong AI will emerge eventually, an

• quantified 4y ago
  What if those machines are owned for the purpose of profiting their funders? They are only made for the purpose of returning billions to these owners, where do thise come from?
  • dusted 4y ago
    In my opinion, there will be a point where profits lose their meaning. That point might be either, or a combination of: Nobody else has any money to be taken (because they have no jobs) Stuff is free because machines are making it, so you can just get whatever you want made for you. Money are a proxy for time and work, when machines get to a point where they're autonomously able to spend all the required time and do all the required work, there's nothing left for money to do.. If we stood on the edge of a scarcity-free world, I doubt even the greediest *illionaire would find any good reason to stop it (and if they did, well, I doubt they'd survive it for long)
    • quantified 4y ago
      I suppose the desire for the luxury available to the *illionaire is not combined with the feeling that it should not be made available to others. It is combined with the knowledge that this earth cannot support billions at that level of luxury. And if the population is reduced to a quantity that the earth would support at that level, they'd want it to be made up of people they feel like hanging out with. That ia the population they want the machines to support. Everyone else should be shot into space.
• EdSharkey 4y ago
  There's an assumption there which says you have intrinsic value and you don't need to justify your existence. There's a reason why some people get existential when there's talk about being replaced.
  • dusted 4y ago
    I don't necessarily believe anyone has intrinsic value. I also don't believe one needs to have value, or justify ones existence. I think the main reason these needs arise, is exactly because people have grown up in the current society, where so much value is placed on contribution, exactly because there's scarcity. It might be, in a post-scarcity world, those same pressures would exist, in new, more society-oriented forms. However, I hope we can get past that, and simply accept that people exist, and let them enjoy existing for no larger purpose than simply inhabiting time and space for a while, and have whatever experiences they have before they perish.
    • EdSharkey 4y ago
      There are so many dead ends in your thought processes here, though! Holes I can drive a truck through. What if's a-plenty! > post-scarcity world Why do you believe you deserve to be invited into such a world by the owners of that world? Have you not been noticing any patterns in the news, especially in the past 20 years, accelerating in the last 3? I observe that run-of-the-mill humans are not loved nor respected. Elon winked at us and said "post-scarcity" and toyed with "MBI". Did you wink back? (It's ok to say yes, I wanted to wink as well, he's a great optimist.) There is no scarcity now, for you and I. There is rampant slavery and injustice all over the world. Add up all the work done and then estimate how many slaves have lived and died complete lives to make cheap crap and give you comfort over just your lifetime? 1? 2? Sugar is over a hundred times cheaper than it should be. The money systems are rigged for theft and twisted beyond reckoning. Misallocated capital at every turn. We have thrived because of and in spite of the current systems. Our lives depend on this unjust system! > However, I hope we can get past that, and simply accept that people exist, and let them enjoy existing ... When I watched The Matrix for the first time, I knew nothing about the movie. Had seen no ads, was kindof heads down in work at the time. A friend wanted me to go see it. I got all the way to the morpheus red/blue pill scene and he's talking about what the matrix was. He was going on about taxes and religion and then slavery. And I thought, disappointed, oh geez, this is gonna be some race baiting thing... I was in this little petty politics mindframe. Blacks and whites. Liberals and conservatives. And then right after that, some goofy retro tech sci-fi and I'm thinking, "interesting computer graphics!" but still not understanding anything. And then, jump scare, surprise! First person shot, eyes slide open, water noises; we're in a pod. It's an experience I may never have again because of the surprise factor and how it awakened me to monstrous possibilities in my own existence. My mental frame of self and this existence widened considerably that day. Our matrix of propaganda and lies we tell ourselves has you. Has you willingly and you're grumpy with me for saying so. That's the powers that be's greatest trick: getting us to fight with each other over their invented reality and their pet causes rather than fighting them. What I will say now is out of love even if it sounds incredibly harsh. Your words make you sound fat, dumb and happy. You sound content, and maybe a little bored with life. The loving part is in the word 'sound'. I know you are not those things, or need not be them if you are some of them. World War 3 will be another banker's war. It appears to be right around the corner and America is starting it/funding it. You must oppose war in all its forms. Small and large offensives are abhorrent. Oppose all war out of principle from now on. If you ever find yourself making excuses for war or even for funding someone else's war again, then you and I cannot be friends. War is a red line.